Behe and Johnson are up front

From: James Mahaffy (Mahaffy@dordt.edu)
Date: Wed Apr 10 2002 - 11:52:30 EDT

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    Folks,

    In a recent post, Dick F. Said
    "Actually, Skip Evans wrote that. He is with the NCSE. However, I will

    offer a bit of commentary. If you know Behe's position, he believes in
    an
    old earth and even mutual shared common ancestry between humans and
    primates. I know, I asked him. He says not one word about his
    evolutionist beliefs in his book on ID. Why? Phil Johnson has no
    illusions about the age of the earth. Again, his books say nothing
    about
    it. Again, why?

    Simply put, creationists buy books. Why risk alienating them with the
    truth? It is just this duplicity coming from those who call themselves

    "Christian" that gets right up my nose. "

    Lets be fair. I thought I read their position in both Behe and
    Johnson. I took a look and I was right. In Darwin's Black Box Behe
    says, "further I find the idea of common descent (that all organisms
    share a common ancestor) fairly convincing, and have no particular
    reason to doubt it. p. 5.
    I don't think he says anything about being a Roman Catholic in the book
    but I suspect he thought that was not germane to his argument.
    Certainly if he wanted to attract the YEC crowd he would have mentioned
    his faith commitment.

    Phil Johnson makes it rather clear in his introduction to Darwin on
    Trial that his own position is NOT YEC. He says, "I am not a defender
    of Creation Science and in fact am not concerned in this book with
    addressing any conflicts between the Biblical accounts and the
    scientific evidence.' (p. 14) Yes as Davis indicated, Johnson as a
    leader of the ID movement want YEC to feel welcome in the ID tent and in
    my conversation with ID folks, they purposefully avoid arguing about YEC
    OEC stands. In a few sentences before this Johnson says, "I am a
    philosophical theist and a Christian. I believe that a God exists who
    could create out of nothing if he wanted to do so, but who might have
    chosen to work through a natural evolutionary process instead."

    I don't find either hiding their own belief. They are attractive to
    evangelicals because of their opposition to a SECULAR evolutionary
    theory that leaves God out.

    I do not agree with everything the ID movement says, but I have and
    continue to have interaction with many in the movement. I find this
    forum VERY critical of ID misquotes so I did not like the assertion that
    leaders in the ID are hiding their own positions.

    James Mahaffy (mahaffy@dordt.edu) Phone: 712 722-6279
    Biology Department FAX : 712
    722-1198
    Dordt College, Sioux Center IA 51250



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