Re: [asa] Romans 1:20 (disregard my last post)

Your response is a potential mire with your use of the term "unguided". But we have discussed altruism before on this list before, and it can clearly be selected for via natural selection. Genes that would cause self sacrificial behaviors, especially to family members, and even more so to offspring, would be favored via "random" natural selection.
 
Jack Syme
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  Obviously at the physical and pheromone level this is true, but at the spiritual level of romance and love, and macho male protection and altruistic self sacrifice, this defies non-guided evolution and can possibly qualify as one the "invisible things" that are "clearly seen".

  Thanks

  John

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  In fact pretty girls - & handsome boys - fit in perfectly with evolution through natural selection. Those traits are clearly advantageous, ceteris paribus, for attracting mates & passing on their genes.

  Shalom
  George
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  Subject: RE: [asa] Romans 1:20 (disregard my last post)

  And furthermore, in my opinion pretty girls make a decent rebuttal to C.S.
  Lewis's claim that you can't discern whether the God of nature is a loving
  God or capricious, ambivalent, etc. I think that beauty in nature,
  especially feminine beauty, speaks volumes about our creator. And that is
  something that a red in tooth and claw nature can't readily explain either.

  John

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  Subject: RE: [asa] Romans 1:20 (disregard my last post)

  But pretty girls definitely reflect the glory of His Creation and could
  therefore loosely fall under the scope of Romans 1:20. :)

  John

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  From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
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  Subject: Re: [asa] Romans 1:20 (disregard my last post)

> > Suppose then this person converts to deism still from a purely secular
  point
> > of view and then starts exploring all the world's religions to see if
  any of
> > their testable truth claims can survive the scrutiny of being compared
  to
> > the scientific record. And suppose then that after eliminating all the
> > others they conclude that Christianity is valid and real and the Bible
  is
> > inspired, and therefore they become a Christian.
> >
> > In this scenario, can we so confidently say that "that natural theology
  does
> > *not* lead a person to Christ" ?

  I see a semantic difference here. At the ultimate level, only the
  work of the Spirit can lead one to Christ. In this particular
  situation, I would identify the examination of various religions as
  the means used in leading to Christ, though of course God was working
  though his interest in science, etc. As another example, I know of a
  couple of testimonies from men who came to Christianity from other
  religions. Initial motive for coming to a Christian fellowship group
  was that all the pretty girls were there.

  --
  Dr. David Campbell
  425 Scientific Collections
  University of Alabama
  "I think of my happy condition, surrounded by acres of clams"

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