Hi Paul,
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> Julius Africanus as well as the other sources cited by Young are all very
> late Christian and Islamic traditions. They are, accordingly, virtually
> irrelevant. It is the mention of Urartu in the ancient Assyrian texts and
> the archaeology of Urartu which tell us where that country was in the mind
of
> the writer of Gen 8:4. This still does not tell us which mountain in
Urartu
> the ark landed on; but, the location is somewhere in the country of
Urartu.
>
> At one point the kingdom of Urartu expanded and may have come reasonably
> close to Adana, though never really reaching to it.
Who says it had to actually reach Adana in order for the mountains that
begin there and travel across SE Turkey to be named 'the mountains of
Ararat'? A look at any reasonably good topo map shows that the mountains
rise from the sea at Adana and that it is one continuous mountainous region
from there to the Caspian Sea. And indeed one can follow rugged topography
across the southern shore of Turkey on into Phrygia. While my preferred
landing site is near Adana, there is no reason why it should be so limited.
And by the admission above, that Uruartu came close to the region I prefer,
you actually make my case for me. Thanks.
But, the Babylonian
> kingdom also expanded to take in Israel-Judah in 586 BC; but, that does
not
> mean that a phrase like "the mountains of Babylonia" could then refer to
> Jerusalem.
Depends upon how long they were occupied and exactly when the phrase
'mountains of Ararat' was coined. One further point. Strong's defines
"Ararat" as either "Ararat" or "Armenia". Armenia is a much broader term and
has referred to all of eastern Turkey, including the Adana region at various
times. See Encyclopedia Britannica 1982 vol18, p. 1042.
>
> The "mountains of Ararat (Urartu)" refers to mountains within the
boundaries
> of the country of Urartu; and that country centers around Lake Van. (Maps
3,
> 4, 146 of The Macmillan Bible Atlas). I doubt you can find any ancient
Near
> Eastern scholar who would say the phrase encompasses Adana.
Geologically, there is no way to separate the mountains that run through
lake Van area from those that run through Adana.
The above post has shown me why I won't be doing much on line from Scotland.
I won't have my books as a resource and I needed them here.
> I have to go now. A friend is taking me to hear Don Chittick explain "The
> Dinosaur Mystery." I bet you wish you could get in on this. :-)
I hope you enjoyed it. I wish I could ask him a few questions.
glenn
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