RE: Men before Adam

From: Adrian Teo (ateo@whitworth.edu)
Date: Fri Apr 26 2002 - 13:03:02 EDT

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    Hello Mike,

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: MikeSatterlee@cs.com [mailto:MikeSatterlee@cs.com]
    > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:11 PM
    > To: asa@calvin.edu.; ateo@whitworth.edu
    > Subject: Men before Adam

    > I don't see anything very radical about reading the Bible
    > chronologically.
    > The idea that the events in Gen. chapters 1 and 2 are
    > separate events makes a
    > lot of sense to me, especially when we remove the chapter and verse
    > divisions, which of course were not part of the original
    > inspired text.
    > Understanding Genesis in this way was not my original idea.
    > I've read it
    > explained this way by others a few times. Though I can't
    > recall exactly who
    > and where right now. But I really don't see that it should make any
    > difference. If understanding the Bible in this way helps to reconcile
    > scripture and science, it does not bother me in the least
    > that it is a rather
    > new and somewhat novel way of understanding Genesis. When old
    > ways of doing
    > things no longer work new ways of doing them must be found.

    While your ideas are certainly very interesting, I don't see any good
    support for them, neither from Scripture (1Cr 15:45 And so it is written,
    The first man Adam was made a living soul;), nor from church history.

    > You seem to very much a traditional fellow. And that's good,
    > so long as the
    > traditions you are supporting are important for the Christian
    > faith to hold
    > on to. But I don't see that the traditional understanding of
    > Genesis which we
    > are discussing is one of them. In fact I see that needlessly
    > clinging to it
    > is hurting the cause of Christ. For as I see things, your
    > "traditional"
    > understandings of Adam being literally the first man and all
    > of us being
    > literally his descendants conflict with several scientific
    > realities.

    How so? How has science offered strong evidence that there was not a first
    human being from whom we all descended?

    > Because
    > they do I think they must be misunderstandings of the
    > scriptures. That is, if
    > the Bible is true, which I think it is. Of course, I will
    > gladly again
    > embrace any and all traditional understandings of Genesis, a
    > young universe
    > and young earth, a six 24-hour day creation, a "poof" type of
    > creation with
    > no biological evolution involved, Adam literally being the
    > first man, a
    > global flood, mankind's three major races coming from Noah's
    > three sons, all
    > earth's different languages coming into existence at the
    > tower of Babel, and
    > fallen angels marrying women and producing children. that is
    > if you can show
    > me that any of these things do not conflict with scientific
    > realities. If you
    > cannot, and if I still want to accept the Bible as containing
    > the truthful
    > inspired words of God, then I must do as I have done. That
    > is, see if there
    > may be a way of understanding the Bible that does not conflict with
    > scientific realities.

    As I have mentioned in an earlier post, I reject a literalistic
    interpretation of Scripture. What I affirm is that Scripture does offer
    historical truths, but not in a scientific sense of the word. I think
    perhaps you do the same when you used the example of Cain getting a wife,
    but yet reject the literal understanding of all of the above.

    > You seem to be quite certain that the Bible tells us that
    > Adam was the first
    > man in an absolute biological and chronological sense. And
    > you also seem to
    > feel that such an understanding does not conflict with
    > scientific realities.
    > So maybe you can help me overcome the problems I now have
    > reconciling this
    > "traditional" understanding of Adam with what I now believe
    > to be very well
    > established science. If you can provide me with reasonable
    > answers to a few
    > questions I should be able to again believe that Adam quite
    > literally the
    > first man.

    I have no problem with the understanding of Adam as the first human person
    because I don't think science has been able to resolve this issue, because
    the definition of a human person as made in the image of God is a
    theological issue. In the same way, while many on this list accept evolution
    as a fact, just about everyone would reject the notion that natural
    evolutionary processes ALONE is able to account for life. The former is a
    scientific issue about mechanisms, and the latter is a
    philosophical/theological issue.

    Blessings,

    Adrian.



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