Important creationist book/ RC Sproul

From: Ted Davis (tdavis@messiah.edu)
Date: Wed Sep 05 2001 - 09:02:12 EDT

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    Last evening I attended a presentation by ICR geologist Bill Hoesch, who
    gave the best creationist talk I can recall hearing, on the topic of Mt St
    Helens. Several times I could guess what was about to come next in the
    talk, such as when he examined surface formations produced quickly by steam
    venting and suggested that other formations, similar in appearance, in other
    places might also have been formed "quickly" rather than slowly by erosion
    over many years; or when he claimed (I can't evaluate the accuracy of this
    type of thing, since I am not a geologist myself) that some secular
    geologists were now coming to think that the Grand Canyon may have been
    formed very quickly, when a large lake near its head suddenly broke free
    (sounds like a glacial dam but he didn't say that), and that this was not
    too different from thinking that the flood did it; or when he noted the many
    dead trees, floating vertically in Spirit Lake, and suddenly jumped to an
    "explanation" of the vertical forests in Yellowstone Park, with a passing
    comment about how a sign with the traditional scientific explanation of this
    (that 27 forests had grown up in succession, roughly 50 Ma) had recently
    disappeared from the park (one wonders why) after creationists had
    challenged this, and that it has not been replaced b/c it is now "known" to
    be "wrong". Much of the presentation was entertaining, with many slides of
    the mountain before, during, and after the explosion--simply good
    photography, with interesting narrative that was factual except when
    describing the state of scientific opinion.

    At the end of his talk, Hoesch held up several books he was offering for
    sale. I bought one that I want to comment on. According to Hoesch, this
    book has recently led a leading conservative theologian, R.C. Sproul (whom I
    have heard many times), to become a YEC. I can't verify this, though if
    true it would be one more PCA person to go in that direction, the first
    prominent one being D James Kennedy many years ago with several others in
    recent years following the lead of various conservative layity in that
    denomination, which does seem to have more than its fair share of
    geocentrists and theonomists.

    The book itself is quite interesting and provocative. I am copying Roman
    Miller (editor of PSCF) on this message, simply to suggest to him as well as
    to the listserve that it might be worth a formal discussion. We might think
    of a few theologians/biblical scholars in the ASA to respond to it in a
    little symposium in PSCF, and ask the author to join in also. The details
    are, Creation and Change: Genesis 1.1-2.4 in the light of changing
    scientific paradigms (Fearn, UK: Mentor, 1997), by Douglas F. Kelly, prof of
    systematic theology at Reformed Theological Seminary (Charlotte, NC). The
    back cover advertises a forthcoming study guide and provides an ISBN for
    that, but I have not seen this as yet.

    The book has "blurbs" promoting it by, among others, Nigel Cameron of
    Trinity International University (though very well known in mainstream
    American evangelicalism, Nigel is a Scottish creationist--he's even
    mentioned in Ron Numbers' book), who (I am guessing) perhaps facilitated
    publication with an English press; and Frederick Skiff, assoc prof of
    physics at the Univ of Maryland. I haven't seen Dr Skiff's name before, I
    gather he's a creationist from what he says about this book.

    Having not yet read this book except in a few places randomly chosen, I
    can't summarize its arguments. I will say, however, that the author has
    read widely on this issue, though I dare say his judgement is more than a
    bit clouded. For example, he calls the gap view of Chalmers (which, nearly
    all admit today, was a failed enterprise) "an exegesis of desperation". I
    think I've read a lot more early 19th century geologists than Kelly has--he
    shows no evidence of having read (say) Edward Hitchcock, the leading
    American exponent of this view, or John Pye Smith, the English theologian
    who recommended Hitchcock on the other side of the pond--and I would never
    describe this view as given to despair. Frankly, they *knew* the earth was
    a lot older than human beings (this is of course what Kelly means by
    "desperation") and they did what made sense: they took another look at the
    interpretation of Genesis One. Granted, their approach is probably weak on
    exegetical grounds (much weaker, IMO, than the "day-age" approach) and
    certainly pointless today on scientific grounds (since it utterly denies
    evolution), but it made good sense to good minds at the time, for good
    reasons.

    Enough of this for now. Has anyone else seen this book? If so, do they
    share my view that this one is worth responding to?

    Ted Davis
      



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