RE: [asa] Confessional Statements and TE Views

I asked myself that question with regard to Kenneth Miller---Finding Darwin's God. Surely, Miller can do all sorts of experiments and determine all the physical properties of wine and bread before and after the transubstantiation. How then does Miller reconcile his Catholic faith with evolution is beyond me? Unless, of course, it may be that I understand neither Miller's Catholicism nor evolution.

Moorad

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Subject: RE: [asa] Confessional Statements and TE Views

Does every Catholic believe in transubstantiation (that the wine consumed during communion physically turns into the blood of Christ)?

Dick Fischer

Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association

Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History

www.genesisproclaimed.org <http://www.genesisproclaimed.org/>

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of David Opderbeck
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Subject: [asa] Confessional Statements and TE Views

I'm curious how TE's who are part of a confessional tradition understand their confessions with respect to original sin. For example, if you're Anglican, CRC, or Lutheran, and a TE who accepts human evolution, can you in good conscience assent to your confessional statements concerning original sin (below)? Is there a tradition within protestant confessional churches of some flexibility in personal interpretation of the confessions? (Obviously I'm betraying my very low-church evangelical roots here).

For example, the 39 Articles (Anglican / Episcopal) say:

IX. Of Original or Birth-Sin.
Original sin standeth not in the following of Adam, (as the Pelagians do vainly talk;) but it is the fault and corruption of the Nature of every man, that naturally is engendered of the offspring of Adam; whereby man is very far gone from original righteousness, and is of his own nature inclined to evil, so that the flesh lusteth always contrary to the Spirit; and therefore in every person born into this world, it deserveth God's wrath and damnation. And this infection of nature doth remain, yea in them that are regenerated; whereby the lust of the flesh, called in Greek, p¢vnæa sapk¢s, (which some do expound the wisdom, some sensuality, some the affection, some the desire, of the flesh), is not subject to the Law of God. And although there is no condemnation for them that believe and are baptized; yet the Apostle doth confess, that concupiscence and lust hath of itself the nature of sin.

The Belgic Confession (CRC) says:

Article 16

The Doctrine of Election
We believe that-
      all Adam's descendants having thus fallen
      into perdition and ruin
      by the sin of the first man-

The Augsburg Confession (Lutheran) says:

Article II: Of Original Sin.

1] Also they teach that since the fall of Adam all men begotten in the natural way are born with sin, that is, without the fear of God, without trust in God, and with 2] concupiscence; and that this disease, or vice of origin, is truly sin, even now condemning and bringing eternal death upon those not born again through Baptism and the Holy Ghost.

3] They condemn the Pelagians and others who deny that original depravity is sin, and who, to obscure the glory of Christ's merit and benefits, argue that man can be justified before God by his own strength and reason.

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