Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

Rain presumably was everywhere, but ice is not. So the appearance of universal flooding from ice melts wouldn't be very universal, would it? Then you've still got to herd the 'roos, koalas, penguins, etc. across seas. And visualize herding turtles several thousand miles! Or cats. Better to just say it was all a miracle. Rather, a large bunch of miracles.

Don

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mlucid@aol.com
  To: asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 1:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

  You know, a rapid melting of all land born ice under mild weather patterns could allow for both the herding of animals to the ark and a vast regional appearance of universal flooding without a lot of evidence being left behind, particularly if there was a quickly ensuing glacial rebound (mini ice age).

  -Mike (Friend of ASA)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Don Winterstein <dfwinterstein@msn.com>
  To: asa <asa@calvin.edu>
  Sent: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 4:22 am
  Subject: Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

  Well, if there was a worldwide flood (which I don't believe), it obviously didn't completely melt the polar icecaps. So maybe they were much thicker before. Maybe that's where floodwaters came from. : )

  What sort of "huge stamp" still detectable today would you expect? What I would expect is sedimentary evidence: not the generally fine-grained sedimentary rocks of marine origin we actually have in most places but instead huge deposits of river-borne terrestrial sediments practically everywhere, all of the same geologic age. Such evidence would be readily recognizable after analysis, but no one has found it.

  Don

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dehler, Bernie
  To: asa
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:40 AM
  Subject: RE: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

  “Even if there is evidence of a worldwide Flood, I'm not sure we'd recognize it for what it is”

  Holy cow—if such a worldwide major event happened (covering all the mountains of the world with water), it should leave a huge “stamp” on the earth, I think. Are all the polar ice-caps formed after the flood? If before the flood, why wouldn’t they all have been washed away? If formed after the flood, they must have formed very rapidly… and then stopped…?

  All animals on the ark… must have been an awful lot of insects…?! Ants, spiders, flies, gnats, mosquitos, … did Noah bring food for them, too?

  …Bernie

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  From: Don Winterstein [mailto:dfwinterstein@msn.com]
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:31 AM
  To: asa; Dehler, Bernie
  Subject: Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

  No way can I speak for YECs, but I'm sure they would not claim that a divine miracle, apart from the encompassing miracle of the Flood, had any role in generating oil deposits. Given the Flood miracle, they seem to favor some kind of "natural" explanation for everything else. It's just that as a rule I find their "natural explanations" to be incompatible with real world observations. (However, I seldom read their literature, so I'm not familiar with many of their details. But I know beyond doubt that a chaotic event like a massive flood could not generate more than a tiny fraction of the features geologists and paleontologists have found in sedimentary rock.)

  Even if there is evidence of a worldwide Flood, I'm not sure we'd recognize it for what it is. The biblical account says the waters stayed only a short (geologically negligible) time, so features like shorelines and beaches would have been indistinct or absent. Most of the time water levels would have been either rising or falling. What we know from studies of geology is that a great many areas on continents that are now dry land were once shallow seas. For geologically long periods of time.

  Don

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dehler, Bernie
  To: asa
  Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:11 PM
  Subject: RE: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

  Don said:
  "The problem with trying to account for the world's sedimentary deposits in terms of a single massive flood, however, is that the mechanism is so astoundingly preposterous that it would require very large numbers of divine miracles, none of which would have an obvious connection to that plan of salvation. “

  Wait a minute. What exactly is the YEC claim? Is it that the oil deposits were formed by the flood (natural outcome of the flood), by miracle, or by both? If miracle had a part to play, for what purpose… just so we could have fuel? If so, God should have told someone, so they could have discovered it sooner. But maybe God wanted to see how long it would take for us to figure it out… after all, he doesn’t have TV shows to watch, so we are his entertainment.

  It seems to me that if there was really a worldwide flood, there would be evidence. Apparently, there’s no significant evidence for the flood (but evidence against it)... unless you figure in the actual ark that is on Mt. Ararat but forbidden for people to see…

  …Bernie

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