Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

 You know, a rapid melting of all land born ice under mild weather
patterns could allow for both the herding of animals to the ark and a
vast regional appearance of universal flooding without a lot of
evidence being left behind, particularly if there was a quickly ensuing glacial rebound (mini ice age).

-Mike (Friend of ASA)

-----Original Message-----

From: Don Winterstein <dfwinterstein@msn.com>

To: asa <asa@calvin.edu>

Sent: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 4:22 am

Subject: Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

Well, if there was a worldwide flood (which I don't believe), it obviously
didn't completely melt the polar icecaps.  So maybe they were much thicker
before.  Maybe that's where floodwaters came from.   : 
) 

What sort of "huge stamp" still detectable today would you expect? 
What I would expect is sedimentary evidence: not the generally fine-grained
sedimentary rocks of marine origin we actually have in most places but instead
huge deposits of river-borne terrestrial sediments practically everywhere, all
of the same geologic age.  Such evidence would be readily recognizable
after analysis, but no one has found it.  

Don

----- Original Message -----

From: Dehler, Bernie

To: asa

Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:40
  AM

Subject: RE: [asa] yec clain (flood and
  oil)

“Even if
  there is evidence of a worldwide Flood, I'm not sure we'd recognize
  it for what it is”

Holy cow—if such a
  worldwide major event happened (covering all the mountains
  of the world with water), it should leave a huge “stamp” on the earth, I
  think.  Are all the polar ice-caps formed after the flood? If before the
  flood, why wouldn’t they all have been washed away?  If formed after the
  flood, they must have formed very rapidly… and
  then stopped…?

All animals on the
  ark… must have been an awful lot of insects…?!   Ants, spiders,
  flies, gnats, mosquitos, … did Noah bring food for them,
  too?

…Bernie

From: Don
  Winterstein [mailto:dfwinterstein@msn.com]

Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:31
  AM

To: asa; Dehler,
  Bernie

Subject: Re: [asa] yec
  clain (flood and oil)

No way can I speak
  for YECs, but I'm sure they would not claim that a divine miracle,
  apart from the encompassing miracle of the Flood, had any role in
  generating oil deposits.  Given the Flood miracle, they seem to favor
  some kind of "natural" explanation for everything else. It's just
  that as a rule I find their "natural explanations" to
  be incompatible with real world observations.  (However,
  I seldom read their literature, so I'm not familiar with many of their
  details.  But I know beyond doubt that a chaotic event like a massive
  flood could not generate more than a tiny fraction of the
  features geologists and paleontologists have found in sedimentary
  rock.) 

Even if
  there is evidence of a worldwide Flood, I'm not sure we'd recognize
  it for what it is.  The biblical account says the waters stayed only a
  short (geologically negligible) time, so features like shorelines and
  beaches would have been indistinct or absent.  Most of the time water
  levels would have been either rising or falling.  What we know from
  studies of geology is that a great many areas on continents that are now dry
  land were once shallow seas.  For geologically long periods of
  time. 

Don

----- Original
    Message -----

From: Dehler, Bernie
    

To: asa

Sent: Thursday,
    November 29, 2007 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: [asa] yec
    clain (flood and oil)

Don
    said:

"The problem
    with trying to account for the world's sedimentary deposits in
    terms of a single massive flood, however, is that the mechanism is so
    astoundingly preposterous that it would require very large numbers of divine
    miracles, none of which would have an obvious connection to that plan
    of salvation. “

Wait a
    minute.  What exactly is the YEC claim? Is it that the oil deposits
    were formed by the flood (natural outcome of the flood), by miracle, or by
    both?  If miracle had a part to play, for what purpose… just so we
    could have fuel?  If so, God should have told someone, so they could
    have discovered it sooner.  But maybe God wanted to see how long it
    would take for us to figure it out… after all, he doesn’t have TV shows to
    watch, so we are his entertainment.

It seems to me
    that if there was really a worldwide flood, there would be evidence. 
    Apparently, there’s no significant evidence for the flood (but evidence
    against it)... unless you figure in the actual ark that is on Mt. Ararat but forbidden for people to
    see…

    
…Bernie
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