Well, I was thinking more of a locally pervasive flood that corralled all the local animals from several hundred miles to Noah's arch as it might have rested on a local high point, with the kangaroos managing on their own at some other high point that didn't ultimately flood. But as another poster so astutely pointed out, the ice shelves didn't completely melt, did they? The record goes back half a billion years in some antarctic sites. So, I, er, uh... nevermind.
-Mike (Friend of ASA)
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Winterstein <dfwinterstein@msn.com>
To: asa <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 4:18 am
Subject: Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)
Rain presumably was everywhere, but ice is not. So the appearance of
universal flooding from ice melts wouldn't be very universal, would it?
Then you've still got to herd the 'roos, koalas, penguins, etc. across
seas. And visualize herding turtles several thousand miles! Or
cats. Better to just say it was all a miracle. Rather, a large
bunch of miracles.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: mlucid@aol.com
To: asa@calvin.edu
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 1:04
PM
Subject: Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and
oil)
You know, a rapid melting of all land born ice under mild weather
patterns could allow for both the herding of animals to the ark and a vast
regional appearance of universal flooding without a lot of evidence being left
behind, particularly if there was a quickly ensuing glacial rebound (mini ice age).
-Mike (Friend of ASA)
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Winterstein <dfwinterstein@msn.com>
To: asa
<asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Sun, 2 Dec
2007 4:22 am
Subject: Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)
Well, if there was a worldwide flood (which I don't believe), it
obviously didn't completely melt the polar icecaps. So maybe they were
much thicker before. Maybe that's where floodwaters came from.
: )
What sort of "huge stamp" still detectable today would you expect?
What I would expect is sedimentary evidence: not the generally
fine-grained sedimentary rocks of marine origin we actually have in most
places but instead huge deposits of river-borne terrestrial sediments
practically everywhere, all of the same geologic age. Such evidence
would be readily recognizable after analysis, but no one has found
it.
Don
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Dehler, Bernie
To:
asa
Sent:
Friday, November 30, 2007 11:40 AM
Subject:
RE: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)
“Even if
there is evidence of a worldwide Flood, I'm not sure we'd recognize
it for what it is”
Holy cow—if such a
worldwide major event happened (covering all the mountains
of the world with water), it should leave a huge “stamp” on the earth, I
think. Are all the polar ice-caps formed after the flood? If before the
flood, why wouldn’t they all have been washed away? If formed after the
flood, they must have formed very rapidly… and
then stopped…?
All animals on the
ark… must have been an awful lot of insects…?! Ants, spiders,
flies, gnats, mosquitos, … did Noah bring food for them,
too?
…Bernie
From: Don
Winterstein [mailto:dfwinterstein@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30,
2007 10:31 AM
To: asa;
Dehler, Bernie
Subject: Re:
[asa] yec clain (flood and oil)
No way can I speak
for YECs, but I'm sure they would not claim that a divine miracle,
apart from the encompassing miracle of the Flood, had any role in
generating oil deposits. Given the Flood miracle, they seem to favor
some kind of "natural" explanation for everything else. It's just
that as a rule I find their "natural explanations" to
be incompatible with real world observations. (However,
I seldom read their literature, so I'm not familiar with many of their
details. But I know beyond doubt that a chaotic event like a massive
flood could not generate more than a tiny fraction of the
features geologists and paleontologists have found in sedimentary
rock.)
Even if
there is evidence of a worldwide Flood, I'm not sure we'd recognize
it for what it is. The biblical account says the waters stayed only a
short (geologically negligible) time, so features like shorelines and
beaches would have been indistinct or absent. Most of the time water
levels would have been either rising or falling. What we know from
studies of geology is that a great many areas on continents that are now dry
land were once shallow seas. For geologically long periods of
time.
Don
----- Original
Message -----
From: Dehler, Bernie
To: asa
Sent: Thursday, November
29, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] yec clain
(flood and oil)
Don
said:
"The problem
with trying to account for the world's sedimentary deposits in terms
of a single massive flood, however, is that the mechanism is so astoundingly
preposterous that it would require very large numbers of divine miracles, none
of which would have an obvious connection to that plan of
salvation. “
Wait a
minute. What exactly is the YEC claim? Is it that the oil deposits were
formed by the flood (natural outcome of the flood), by miracle, or by
both? If miracle had a part to play, for what purpose… just so we could
have fuel? If so, God should have told someone, so they could have
discovered it sooner. But maybe God wanted to see how long it would take
for us to figure it out… after all, he doesn’t have TV shows to watch, so we
are his entertainment.
It seems to me that
if there was really a worldwide flood, there would be evidence.
Apparently, there’s no significant evidence for the flood (but evidence
against it)... unless you figure in the actual ark that is on Mt. Ararat but
forbidden for people to see…
…Bernie
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