Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

What would necessarily happen is the raising of all glacial deposits off
their bases, for ice floats. However, the Greenland ice cap has been
there for tens of thousands of years, as has Antarctic ice.

A second requirement would have to be the brief disappearance of
creatures from all land areas rather that a continuous presence. If they
were able to travel to all areas of the world on land (it's going to be
tough for monkeys, tapirs, jaguars, and the other American species to
swim across the oceans) because all the land was connected, then it is
necessary to explain how the continents separated without producing
incredible amounts of heat.

Of course, the YEC claim is that almost all geological strata (very few
spots retain the pre-flood structure) are the product of a waters that
fore everything up and redeposited them in what looks like the
evolutionary order. But it is notable that all difficulties are given ad
hoc explanations which almost invariably turn out to contradict the
requirements of other explanations. Consider the temperature at the time
of the flood according to RATE: it would vaporize every terrestrial
material while never reaching above 150 C.
Dave (ASA)

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 02:22:52 -0800 "Don Winterstein"
<dfwinterstein@msn.com> writes:
Well, if there was a worldwide flood (which I don't believe), it
obviously didn't completely melt the polar icecaps. So maybe they were
much thicker before. Maybe that's where floodwaters came from. : )

What sort of "huge stamp" still detectable today would you expect? What
I would expect is sedimentary evidence: not the generally fine-grained
sedimentary rocks of marine origin we actually have in most places but
instead huge deposits of river-borne terrestrial sediments practically
everywhere, all of the same geologic age. Such evidence would be readily
recognizable after analysis, but no one has found it.

Don

----- Original Message -----
From: Dehler, Bernie
To: asa
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)

“Even if there is evidence of a worldwide Flood, I'm not sure we'd
recognize it for what it is”
 
Holy cow—if such a worldwide major event happened (covering all the
mountains of the world with water), it should leave a huge “stamp” on the
earth, I think. Are all the polar ice-caps formed after the flood? If
before the flood, why wouldn’t they all have been washed away? If formed
after the flood, they must have formed very rapidly… and then stopped…?
 
All animals on the ark… must have been an awful lot of insects…?! Ants,
spiders, flies, gnats, mosquitos, … did Noah bring food for them, too?
 
…Bernie
 

From: Don Winterstein [mailto:dfwinterstein@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:31 AM
To: asa; Dehler, Bernie
Subject: Re: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)
 
No way can I speak for YECs, but I'm sure they would not claim that a
divine miracle, apart from the encompassing miracle of the Flood, had any
role in generating oil deposits. Given the Flood miracle, they seem to
favor some kind of "natural" explanation for everything else. It's just
that as a rule I find their "natural explanations" to be incompatible
with real world observations. (However, I seldom read their literature,
so I'm not familiar with many of their details. But I know beyond doubt
that a chaotic event like a massive flood could not generate more than a
tiny fraction of the features geologists and paleontologists have found
in sedimentary rock.)
 
Even if there is evidence of a worldwide Flood, I'm not sure we'd
recognize it for what it is. The biblical account says the waters stayed
only a short (geologically negligible) time, so features like shorelines
and beaches would have been indistinct or absent. Most of the time water
levels would have been either rising or falling. What we know from
studies of geology is that a great many areas on continents that are now
dry land were once shallow seas. For geologically long periods of time.

 
Don
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dehler, Bernie
To: asa
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] yec clain (flood and oil)
 
Don said:
"The problem with trying to account for the world's sedimentary deposits
in terms of a single massive flood, however, is that the mechanism is so
astoundingly preposterous that it would require very large numbers of
divine miracles, none of which would have an obvious connection to that
plan of salvation. “
 
Wait a minute. What exactly is the YEC claim? Is it that the oil
deposits were formed by the flood (natural outcome of the flood), by
miracle, or by both? If miracle had a part to play, for what purpose…
just so we could have fuel? If so, God should have told someone, so they
could have discovered it sooner. But maybe God wanted to see how long it
would take for us to figure it out… after all, he doesn’t have TV shows
to watch, so we are his entertainment.
 
It seems to me that if there was really a worldwide flood, there would be
evidence. Apparently, there’s no significant evidence for the flood (but
evidence against it)... unless you figure in the actual ark that is on
Mt. Ararat but forbidden for people to see…
 
…Bernie
 

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