Re: [asa] 7 Words You Can't Say in Church WAS ORIGINS: pseudogenes are overwhelming evidence for evolution...?

How about a #8. "I could be wrong." (micro, not macro)
Jack Haas

Michael Roberts wrote:
> I nearly mentioned Darwin today as we sang For all the Saints.
> The author Walsham How was an early follower of evolution probably in
> the 1860s. He was invited to the unveiling of Darwin's statue in
> Shrewsbury in 1896 but died instead!
> The tune was by Ralph Vaughan Williams Darwin's great nephew.
> It wouldn't have mattered as none of the 7 would have offended anyone
> Michael----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* John Walley <mailto:john_walley@yahoo.com>
> *To:* 'Dehler, Bernie' <mailto:bernie.dehler@intel.com> ;
> asa@calvin.edu <mailto:asa@calvin.edu>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:10 AM
> *Subject:* [asa] 7 Words You Can't Say in Church WAS ORIGINS:
> pseudogenes are overwhelming evidence for evolution...?
>
> As a more humorous aside to this very serious issue of the truth
> not being allowed in most of the evangelical church, a friend of
> mine who is also a recent TE convert and I came up with this to
> hopefully help break the ice and get people to start thinking
> about this.
>
> NASA scientist and former RTB Apologist Dr. Mark Whorton, author
> of “Peril in Paradise” will be presenting to the RTB Atlanta
> Chapter Christmas Party later this month on “Peril in the Pew: The
> Evolution of an Evolving Creationist” and this came out of our
> preparation for that.
>
> Please let me know what you think. J
>
> John
>
> 7 Words you can’t say in Church:
>
> 1. Big Bang
>
> 2. Old Earth
>
> 3. Death before the Fall
>
> 4. Allegorical Genesis
>
> 5. Common Descent
>
> 6. Darwin
>
> annnnd
>
> 7. Sex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] *On Behalf Of *Dehler, Bernie
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2007 1:03 AM
> *To:* asa@calvin.edu
> *Subject:* [asa] ORIGINS: pseudogenes are overwhelming evidence
> for evolution...?
>
> Hi all-
>
> I’m new to this group (and ASA), so I hope I’m not bringing up
> something already discussed in great detail. If so, maybe you can
> direct me to the log.
>
> In my recent studies on the origins debate, it seems to me that
> there is “overwhelming evidence for evolution” via pseudogenes.
> These are genes present and functional in lower life forms, yet we
> have messed-up (nonfunctional) copies of them. There are supposed
> to be thousands of pseudogenes in the human genome. Humans and
> apes have these messed-up copies, but not lower life-forms. Since
> we share the messed-up copies with apes, we can’t say that it is
> from the fallen human nature, as apes also have them messed-up
> while lower lifeforms don’t. A prime example is supposed to be
> ascorbic acid (vitamin c).
>
> Hugh Ross, in his book “Who was Adam” explains the technical
> details well, and ends up saying there is no “old earth” response
> (since old earth is against evolution)… no response yet, anyway.
> Young earther’s also don’t seem to have a response to this argument.
>
> It seems to me that we have to accept this evidence for evolution…
> just as we have accepted evidence from Copernicus/Galileo
> regarding a heliocentric solar system.
>
> */Question/*: Is it true there is no serious response from young
> earthers or old earthers to the claim that pseudogenes are
> overwhelming proof for evolution?
>
> Then again, there’s also the biological evolutionary evidence
> based on chromosomes. Humans have one less chromosome than apes,
> and it can be seen that the reason why is because two ape-like
> chromosomes have joined into one for human. This joint is obvious.
> Again, any good young earth or old earth responses?
>
> Both the pseudogene and chromosome evidence for evolution were
> cited as evidence by Dr. Francis Collins in his recent book.
>
> By the way, I’m on the mailing list for Liberty University. They
> claim there is no compelling evolutionary evidence. Check out this
> quote:
>
> *Dr. David DeWitt, Liberty University professor of biology, wants
> to help Christians understand the nature of creationism and teach
> them how to ably counter mainstream arguments.*
>
> **
>
> *His new book, “Unraveling the Origins Controversy,” is a crash
> course in biblical creationism and examines assumptions on both
> sides of the origins debate with clear biblical teachings.*
>
> **
>
> *The veteran professor, who is director of **Liberty**’s Center
> for Creation Studies, notes that there are new scientific findings
> in terms of the earth’s foundations almost every day and
> Christians need to have a framework for understanding these
> alleged evolutionary breakthroughs.*
>
> **
>
> *Dr. DeWitt, who recently received a large National Institutes of
> Health grant to support his Alzheimer’s disease research, said,
> “We live in the same world and use the same facts as
> evolutionists. We simply use different assumptions and reach
> creation conclusions.”*
>
> **
>
> *Included in Dr. DeWitt’s scientific refutation of evolutionary
> theory, he incorporates Scripture throughout his book to support
> the science of creationism. He believes the value of his book is
> that it is written by a scientist who integrates up-to-the-minute
> findings with a biblical worldview.*
>
> **
>
> *Asked if there is any argument an evolutionist can make that a
> creationist cannot effectively answer, Dr. DeWitt smiled wryly and
> offered a simple, “No.”*
>
> **
>
> *“We have nothing to worry about in defending our beliefs,” he
> confidently stated.*
>
> …Bernie
>
> www.sciligion.org <http://www.sciligion.org/>
>

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Received on Sun Nov 4 13:56:34 2007