Re: [asa] AIG -- Scientists! Give it up!

Gentlemen,
   
  Much of the dispute could be resolved or at least a respectful middle ground located if people would stop to ask themselves *which evolution(ary theory)*, instead of assuming evolution is a Theory of Everything from both sides.
   
  Evolution appears to be a straw man for Vernon as much as it is a Trojan Horse for his adversaries (even Christian theists!). It seems that Vernon might have no problem accepting the certain aspects of the vast evidence presented for biological evolution, that biological things evolve (mutate, adapt, vary, differentiate, etc.), if he at the same time were free to insist that certain aspects of cosmological or zoological (e.g. common descent) evolution don't fit with his view of the Bible. Certain things don't in fact evolve.
   
  I doubt most TE's or EC's would contest that they *know* with confidence what happened at OOL (i.e. was it purely physical or perhaps also spiritual?) any better than YEC's claim. The science is different, yes - but the solution (or conclusion) is extra-scientific by definition. Relativizing evolution (e.g. this evolves, but that doesn't) could thus be helpful for both sides.
   
   
  G.A.

   
  Iain Strachan <igd.strachan@gmail.com> wrote:
  Vernon,

Did you actually try to evaluate the _scientific_ evidence that Collins presents? If so, on what basis do you reject it. If not, then you can hardly complain that so few people on this list have evaluated your numerical findings. If you'd for once desist from your continual behaviour of writing darkly worded posts about how evil is the heart of men that they can't see a miracle when it's in front of them, thereby antagonising people (just as Dick is antagonising me with his hate language), then people might be prepared to take some notice of you.

I am sad to say that there is very little else I can offer you - you offer me a list of "bad fruits" of evolution. Well, human misconstrual of anything can give rise to bad fruits. What about apartheid (justified by citing Noah's curse on Ham), the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the hate rhetoric you'll find on the Wesboro Baptist Church in Kansas ( www.godhatesfags.com) (example given: "Thank God for AIDS")?

There are plenty of "bad fruits" coming out of peoples abuses of Chistianity as well.

You have said that evolution is a Satanic deception. I know you are sincere in that belief, but I think you are deluding yourself and not facing the evidence. It is therefore ironic that you complain that people won't face up to the numerical evidence you present.

Have you not considered the possibility that your narrow interpretation of the Bible might also be a Satanic deception? Even St. Augustine in the 4th century didn't accept the six days as literal 24 hour periods of time.

Iain

  On 7/24/06, Vernon Jenkins <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net> wrote: Dick,
  I've just finished reading "Faith and the Human Genome", and it strikes me that what you and Francis Collins have in common is a complete disregard for words spoken by the Lord in his 'Sermon on the Mount'. There he warned his followers to carefully examine the teaching of any doctrine which threatened to _counter_ rather than _confirm_ his gospel message. "By their fruits ye shall know them." / "No man can serve two masters."
  Writing to Iain just recently, I suggested that evolution fails these tests completely - backing up my claim with a selection of its anti-christian 'fruits'. You attest to be 'well-educated' and a man of 'relevant knowledge'. Let me therefore ask, Where do these significant matters fit into your scheme of things? - for I'm sure you would agree with me that the words attributed to our Lord, Saviour and Creator must carry more weight than all others recorded in the J-C Scriptures.
  From what I gather, Jesus Christ was a _creationist_ - even a YEC!! (Lk.16:31).
  Vernon

                 
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Received on Mon Jul 24 20:39:06 2006