Re: Dick Fisher's "historical basis" remains no less doubtful

I am trying not to be so dense about this, sorry.

I am not sure I agree, but I understand, I think, what you
are saying about the covenant people. In the Old
Covenant, you had to be an Adamite, i.e. one of the chosen
people, "part of the covenant line" to be eligible for
redemption. And after Christ this is becane available to
all who believe "neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor
free...".

It is how you use the phrase "image of God" that I have
issues with. So, are you saying that the other humans
that existed outside of Adam's line were not made in the
image of God? And are you saying that those outside of
the Body of Christ not made in the image of God? Are you
equating the "image of God" with redemption, or at least
being part of the covenant?

If that is what you are saying, I had not thought of
"image of God" that way before. I had always considered
it the characteristic, whatever it is, that makes us
different than animals.

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:14:34 -0500
  Dick Fischer <dickfischer@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>Jack Syme wrote:
>&gt;Then to be consistent you must conclude that
>Aborigines
>&gt;and North American natives are not created in the
>image of
>&gt;God as well because there is no way they can be
>Adamites.
>I'm not an Adamite either.&nbsp; I doubt you are.&nbsp;
>God's provision
>for redemption has changed since OT times.&nbsp; Before
>Christ, the key
>to redemption was to be a member of the covenant line,
>although
>proselytes too were acceptable.&nbsp; Christ touched on
>this when he
>said, &quot;Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees,
>hypocrites! for ye
>compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he
>is made, ye make
>him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves&quot;
>(Matthew
>23:15).
>When one outside the Jewish faith was brought to the
>knowledge of God, he
>became accountable.&nbsp; Because of false teaching, he
>was
>condemned.&nbsp; This unique status for Israel as God's
>chosen people was
>rescinded, or at least modified, at the cross.&nbsp;
>Christ was appointed
>by God as His representative.&nbsp; The second Adam,
>Christ, was in the
>&quot;image of God&quot; (II Cor. 4:4) just as the first
>Adam, and the
>mantle was passed to the followers of Christ.
>We have blown &quot;in the image of God&quot; into
>proportions never
>intended as I see it.&nbsp; But as followers of Christ,
>there should be
>no question that you and I are in God's image.&nbsp; And
>all persons are
>eligible.
>Not that anyone cares what I think, but God's A plan was
>good.&nbsp; Adam
>was given the mantle and he was supposed to have brought
>all humanity
>into God's kingdom.&nbsp; Sin intervened.
>God's B plan is also good.&nbsp; Christ succeeded where
>Adam
>failed.
>Dick Fischer&nbsp; - Genesis Proclaimed Association
>Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
>www.genesisproclaimed.org
>
>
>
Received on Wed Nov 17 15:19:26 2004