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To: <mortongr@flash.net>
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Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: The place of history in Christianity
> Hi Glenn,
> Given your schedule, I will leave you with a fact:
>
> << Actually, since I published that it was pointed out to me the
> inconsistency,
> so I now do hold that the ark landed on the shores of Turkey. The
Mountains
> of Ararat which is the mountainous region in Eastern Turkey, geologically
> extend from eastern Turkey to Adana. Geologically that entire system is
one
> mountainous region. Thus by landing there near the region of Adana one is
on
> the same mountain chain. It was Bill Hamilton who got me to change on
this
> point. I always try to eliminate my inconsistencies the best that I can.
>>
>
> Ararat is a country (Urartu in the Assyrian texts). Gen 8:4 is saying
that
> the ark came to rest in the mountains in the country of Ararat. Adana is
> maybe 200 miles SW of the country of Ararat. If the text said the ark
landed
> in the "the Rockies of Montana," you could scarcely suppose it meant that
> the ark landed in the Rockies of Colorado or Alaska because geologically
they
> are on the same mountain chain
I will gladly discuss factual data so I will respond to this. It is a fact
that no one knows exactly what region Ararat referred to. Davis Young
provides a wonderful list of Ark landing sites. He says:
"Moreover, despite substantial discrepancies among various reports of the
location of the landing site (see map, p. 33), no writer seems to have
doubted the existence of the ark remains or to have puzzled at the thought
of a great boat on a mountain." Davis Young, The Biblical Flood, Grand
Rapids: Erdmanns, 1995), p. 20
He then states:
"Julius Africanus acknowledged multiple landing site traditions, he affirmed
that the 'ark settled on the mountains of Ararat, which we know to be in
Parthia, but some say that they are at Celaenae of Phrygia, and I have seen
both places." Davis Young, The Biblical Flood, Grand Rapids: Erdmanns,
1995), p. 20
Celaenae is in Western Turkey. The map on page 33 shows the Western Turkey
site mentioned by Africanus, Mount Baris in what is now Georgia, Adiabene in
Iran,Mount Qardu, and Agri Dagh (the present Mt. Ararat). While I agree that
most of the Kingom of Ararat is within Eastern
Turkey, I haven't seen anyone produce a shred of evidence that the
Mountains of Ararat are equated with Ararat. I cite the case of
Appalachia and the Appalachian Mountains as a modern example.
Appalachia is a region of the US (mosty south of Pennsylvania and north
of Georgia. The Appalachain mountains go on up into Quebec and Nova Scotia.
So you attempt to define my solution out of the realm of possibility by
limiting Ararat to a small region flies in the face of the known spread of
ancient claims for where the Ark landed. All of these were believed to be
within the mountains of Ararat. That is a fact.
glenn
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