Re: ID *does* require a designer! (but it does not need to identify who or what he/it is)

From: Chris Cogan (ccogan@telepath.com)
Date: Fri Oct 13 2000 - 14:30:03 EDT

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    These posts about an "intelligent designer" vs. "intelligent design" bring
    up the issue of whether it even makes sense to talk about intelligent
    design without some specification of what the intelligent designer
    might be.

    It appears to me that going about things this way is another example of the
    Platonic/Rationalistic approach, in which a concept (like that of design)
    is defined in a way divorced from its logically necessary objective basis
    (designers) and then applied to "logically" yield a pre-defined result (the
    existence of whichever designer the intelligent designer happens to have a
    prior belief in).

    There is, of course, no such thing as intelligent design without an
    intelligent designer, and the nature of the specific nature of the design
    process and the results depends on the designer, so it would seem that the
    approach that the ID crowd is (mostly) taking is either inverted or
    invalidated by their attempt to have a concept of intelligent design that
    does not directly involve a concept of the nature of the intelligent designer.

    Therefore, to clear this up, I'd like to see a kind of statement of the
    "program" of folks like Jones as to how they expect to justify a concept of
    intelligent design (or even just design) that is isolated from types of
    designer (such as naturalistic (aliens, humans, animals, machines) and
    supernaturalistic (demi-gods, ghosts, and "God")).



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