Re: evidence and logic

From: Susan Brassfield (susanb@telepath.com)
Date: Sat Jun 10 2000 - 13:55:41 EDT

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    At 09:16 PM 06/09/2000 -0700, you wrote:
    >Susan Brassfield wrote:
    >
    > >>> 3.It postulates that speciation is (usually) due to the gradual
    > >>> accumulation of small genetic changes. This is equivalent to
    > >>> saying that macroevolution is simply a lot of microevolution.
    >
    > >please take note of the word in parentheses--"speciation is (usually) due
    > >to the gradual accumulation of small genetic changes." In other words,
    > >sometimes evolution is not gradual at all, as you correctly point out.

    Cliff:

    >Macroevolution that is "simply a lot of microevolution" is not macroevolution
    >at all. Gradual evolution can be rapid through a steady succession of
    >mutations,
    >but that is not macroevolution. Macroevolutionary events are saltations, real
    >leaps in a single generation. Your loyalty to Darwinian gradualism makes you
    >a fine ally for Stephen!

    No need to be insulting!

    The fossil record has lots of examples of finely graded transitions from
    one organism to a radically different one. At the same time there is also
    evidence of "leaps" but not true saltation. Please explain what you are
    talking about. I read a Gould essay some years back that explained that
    large morphological changes can sometimes be brought about by small genetic
    changes--rate of growth, for example--but that's not what most people mean
    by "saltation." Saltation as such, as far as I can recall, was popular in
    the late 19th century before the discovery of genetics. Surely that's not
    what you mean!

    Susan



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