Re: A man of mud Re: Academics who actively support Young Earth Creationism

From: Robert Schneider (rjschn39@bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon Nov 03 2003 - 14:14:10 EST

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    And, as Wayne Bragg's hermeneutics professor once said, "A text without a
    context becomes a pretext."

    Bob

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
    To: "george murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>; "Walter Hicks"
    <wallyshoes@mindspring.com>
    Cc: "Vernon Jenkins" <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>; "gordon brown"
    <gbrown@euclid.colorado.edu>; <douglas.hayworth@perbio.com>;
    <asa@calvin.edu>
    Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:06 PM
    Subject: Re: A man of mud Re: Academics who actively support Young Earth
    Creationism

    > Whether or not George is a "literalist " is irrelevant. He is trying to
    > emphasis the need for a detailed study and exegesis of the text - any
    text -
    > before we can understand what it means.
    >
    > Walter, what on earth (pun) is a dust man? (Overhere a dustman is a
    garbage
    > collector!) It is chemical nonsense to imagine God scooped up some dust,
    > added a drop of water and formed a ginger-bread man like morph and then
    blew
    > the breath of life into it. (Staight out of Bernard Ramm that).
    >
    > Before we start trying to ascribe inerrancy to be bible we should show our
    > devotion to it by studying it very carefully and use every normal means
    of
    > interpretation to understand. That starts with a careful understanding of
    > the words, then the syntax etc
    >
    > Michael
    >
    > > Walter Hicks wrote:
    > >
    > > > George Murphy wrote:
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > I'll repeat something that I said in an exchange here a few
    > weeks ago. One
    > > > > should be a "biblical literalist" in the sense of taking the precise
    > letters & words of
    > > > > scripture seriously.
    > > >
    > > > How can one accept that, George? You would expect that the Bible
    should
    > specify the exact
    > > > chemical composition of a man --- other wise it becomes an excuse to:
    > > >
    > > > > But one should _not_ be one in the sense of assuming that all the
    > > > > texts of scripture are to be read as accurate historical narratives.
    > > >
    > > > As the only alternative?
    > > >
    > > > Sounds like a set-up to me ---- just a hokey way to turn everything
    into
    > a non literal
    > > > interpretation.
    > >
    > > You have not understood what I said. Let me back up. In order to
    > understand ANY text you
    > > first have to read it with care and pay attention to what it says. That
    > is the case whether
    > > the text in question is Genesis 2, a sura from the Qur'an, The Origin of
    > Species, or The
    > > Wasteland. To read a text with care, paying attention to all the exact
    > words that are used
    > > and not inserting anything that isn't there, is essential to learning
    what
    > the author(s)
    > > and/or editor(s) of the text intended to say.
    > >
    > > You have to try to determine what _kind_ of text you're dealing
    with -
    > whether it is
    > > historical narrative, saga, liturgy, theological treatise &c - by
    > analyzing the structure of
    > > the text, putting it in its contexts (literary, cultural, historical,
    > scientific) and
    > > comparing it with other texts as to literary structure.
    > >
    > > When you say "You would expect that the Bible should specify the
    > exact chemical
    > > composition of a man --- other wise it becomes an excuse to," you are
    > showing the fundamental
    > > confusion that besets so much popular discussion of the Bible: That the
    > only way it can claim
    > > to be true is if it claims to be an accurate historical or scientific
    > account. That is not
    > > true. But this is not, as you further say "just a hokey way to turn
    > everything into a non
    > > literal interpretation." There are some parts of scripture which _are_
    to
    > be read as
    > > historical narratives.
    > >
    > >
    > > Shalom,
    > > George
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >



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