Re: Oppressive YEC

From: Guy Blanchet (guyblanchet@sympatico.ca)
Date: Mon Apr 29 2002 - 07:12:52 EDT

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    Glenn Morton a Ècrit:

    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >From: Guy Blanchet [mailto:guyblanchet@sympatico.ca]
    > >Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:55 AM
    > >To: Glenn Morton
    > >Cc: asa@calvin.edu
    > >Subject: Re: Oppressive YEC
    > >
    > >
    > >> Glenn,
    > >
    > >> [....] No, Guy, all roads lead to the conclusion of a young-earth. [...]
    > >
    > >> see http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/dmd.htm
    > >> for lots of creation/evolution information
    > >> anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
    > >> personal stories of struggle
    > >
    > >Sorry for deleting your text. But I did leave one sentence
    > >appearing near the end
    > >just to prove that I read it all. (By the way I think there in a
    > >typo in that
    > >sentence.)
    >
    > OOPS, you are correct. All roads lead to the conclusion of an OLD-earth and
    > an OLD universe. Goes to show that I don't do a good job of proofreading.
    >
    > >
    > >I must say that I'm quite impressed with all of the energy put into this by
    > >experts around the world. However, I think our definitions of
    > >verification don't
    > >match. To verify the old earth theory one would be required to
    > >build a time
    > >machine and go backward in time to actually check out what in fact
    > >occured. I can
    > >picture you at the controls of this machine. Let me see. You
    > >would first dial in
    > >year 8000 BC and then proceed backwards from there second by
    > >second.....very
    > >carefully....just in case....
    >
    > It is very interesting that you set a standard for proof that will never
    > allow for any verification. By your standard, you can't verify a
    > young-earth either. WHich I suppose is your methodology so that you can
    > claim that the two views are equivalent in epistemologic value.
    >
    > But by your standard we should never convict anyone of murder, for murder
    > happened in the past and we surely should require a time machine to ensure
    > that we get the right guy before locking him away for life. Don't you agree
    > that we should never convict a murderer because we lack your standard of
    > verification? I expect that you will lead a protest movement to free all
    > criminal suspects from their jail cells because we can never verify that
    > they did the deed. What will you call your movement, which you should be
    > ethically required to found?
    >
    > The problem is that you didn't discuss any of the evidence presented. You
    > ignored it as if it had never been said (with the exception of my typo). Why
    > is it that young-earthers never seem to respond to data but merely clip it
    > from their replies and from their memories? Do you know why, Guy?
    >
    > glenn
    >
    > see http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/dmd.htm
    > for lots of creation/evolution information
    > anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
    > personal stories of struggle
    > >
    > >
    > >Regards
    > >

    Glenn,

    Who says I'm a YEC!!!! Another one of your suppositions???? I'm a scientist
    saying that the proof pointing towards the old earth is good. But that 's all
    it does : it meerly points to that conclusion. That theory contains a lot of
    verification points but not the final ultimate de visu verification.
    As for our
    legal system, it does the best it can. No I will not open up every jail to let
    people out. By the same token I will not assume that everyone convicted is
    guilty. You are right on one thing : I can't prove earth is young. Does this
    set things straight?

    Regards



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