Re: Bears and Stuff

From: Michael Roberts (michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk)
Date: Mon Apr 22 2002 - 16:13:41 EDT

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    Vintage Glenn this, strong argument with a benevolent smile. The right way
    to argue.
    Maybwe the miserable scottish climate is doing you good.

    Michael
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Glenn Morton" <glenn.morton@btinternet.com>
    To: "Asa@Calvin. Edu" <asa@calvin.edu>
    Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:21 AM
    Subject: RE: Bears and Stuff

    > Hi Dick, you win. You have successfully shown how apologists ignore and
    > avoid discussing data which might force a change in their views. I will
    > make a couple of comments and let you have the last word after that.
    >
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
    > >Behalf Of Dick Fischer
    > >Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:29 AM
    > [non-responsive soliloquy on off-topic stuff deliged.
    > >
    > >And I might suggest taking some memory pills. The reason we are
    discussing
    > >bears is because of animal sacrifice.
    > >
    > >"We," as in you and me, are not discussing bears.
    >
    > I noticed, Dick. I present evidence that shows animal sacrifice occurred
    > prior to your precious 7000 years and you ably ignore it by writing on
    > Havilah.
    > [snip]
    >
    >
    > >Absolutely! The world was populated in the millions 7,000 years ago.
    But
    > >my point has been that Adam is historical, Adam appeared long after the
    > >human race got its start, Adam has a place we can identify. And
    > >sacrificing
    > >farm-type animals as a covering for sin, or an offering to God (or gods),
    > >seems to have commenced in the same region at the same time.
    >
    > So is it your position that the important thing in determining
    spirituality
    > is that it is FARM ANIMALS that are sacrificed and the beliefs of the
    > individual about an afterlife, sin etc are not important in determining
    > sprituality at all? That is the only reason I can see for you to hold
    that
    > position. I guess a misbehaving sheep dog who sacrifices one of his sheep
    > in his charge and then eats it (as humans do with sacrificed sheep) is
    > displaying the image of God. Go Fido!
    >
    > >If the data that I report is subject to change with future discovery,
    then
    > >so is yours.
    > >
    > >Agreed.
    >
    > Then doesn't it seem silly for you to have claimed that one shouldn't
    accept
    > my data because it might be changed by future discovery? Let's deal with
    > future discovery when it happens.
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >There is more to the world than Mesopotamia, Dick. Lift your head and
    look
    > >around. It is a big, wide world out there full of activities which didn't
    > >take place in Mesopotamia.
    > >
    > >Again, agreed.
    >
    > But then you spend lots of time ignoring everything that might impinge on
    > your Mesopotamian views. Effectively you are saying don't confuse me with
    > any fact that doesn't support my viewpoint. I think that is what Henry
    > Morris does as effectively as you. Indeed it is what is morally wrong
    about
    > Christian apologetics.
    >
    > You got the last word. I won't waste more time on this thread.
    >
    >
    > glenn
    >
    > see http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/dmd.htm
    > for lots of creation/evolution information
    > anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
    > personal stories of struggle
    >
    > >
    >
    >
    >



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