Hi Dick,
>-----Original Message-----
>From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
>Behalf Of Dick Fischer
>Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:25 AM
I wrote:
>Woah, Dick, don't go leaping to conclusions. I just presented many cases
>which show all signs of being animal sacrifice and now without even
>discussing why those examples don't qualify, you simply repeat your
>falsified claim. You once made the claim that you were an 'evidence' sort
>of guy. Then discuss the evidence.
Dick Replied,
>
>"Falsified"? I can't discuss what is missing, Glenn.
Dick, please read what I said. I asked you to discuss the evidence I cited
of animal sacrifice. How can you say it is missing? It is in the penultimate
e-maile I sent you.
And this isn't my
>point
>anyway. What you seem to be looking for is some way to attach spirituality
>to mankind who lived in antiquity. It isn't my concern, but I seem to get
>drawn
>in anyway. What I have tried to point out since I began is that Adam
>appears
>as a late entry into the human race, not at the apex.
When you claim that spirituality(or more correctly the image of God) didn't
exist until man started sacrificing animals, it is your concern. And you
made the claim a couple of your e-mails ago. Do I need to quote it again?
Maybe I better.
On Fri 4/19/02 5:48 AM you wrote:
>Catal Huyuk in Syria was abandoned prior to 7,000 years ago and showed no
>evidence of animal sacrifice.
>
>So if I can pick an activity demonstrating spirituality, that's it.
First you say it is evidence now you say it isn't your concern. Which is it
Dick?
>
>It isn't germane to my case whether Homo erectus stared at the nighttime
>sky and contemplated his origin. Or whether he killed bears or arranged
>skulls, or whether early modern Homo sapiens did it.
>
>What you seem to want to imply is that this "spirituality" exists because
>all
>hominids emanate from Adam. That's an argument that is DOA in my book.
I don't think you even discuss it in your book, if I may be permitted to
make a logical equivocation here.
>
>Whatever spirituality may have been present before Adam was given his
>mission
>is beside the point. I found your discussion of bears fascinating, as I
>find much
>of your research fascinating. I hope you continue to bestow on us the
>blessing
>of your keen intelligence and the information you continually uncover. I
>sincerely
>mean that. (You could lighten up a little.)
One reason I have not done much over the past couple of years is that I find
it very generally useless to discuss evidence with people who have already
got their minds firmly shut, which seems to be at a higher percentage among
religious peoples. And that is truly sad. And because of this, these
discussions have come to frustrate me because no matter what one puts out,
it is generally ignored, as you did, claiming that animal sacrifice didn't
exist prior to 7000 BC and when presented with evidence, you don't even
mention it in your next email in any substantive manner (other than that
lots of stuff about killing bears snipped).
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different
outcome. By that definition, I am insane. I keep hoping eventually that
some apologist will actually deal with the data rather than dismissing it
via solipsism or killing it by the silence which comes when one ignores any
contradictory data. Yep, I think I need to see my shrink again.
>
>But if you think Adam was an Australopithicine, who had apes for parents,
>you won't get any support from me.
Since I can't even get you to discuss the data, I long ago gave up on
support.
And let's change the ground rules here. For the future, simply assume I
don't believe my own concordance of genesis with science. No longer assume
that I am trying to convince anyone of that viewpoint. Assume that I am
merely trying to show you places where your view is contradicted by the
data. And boy does your view fail to meet any level of anthropological data
or physical reality.
glenn
see http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/dmd.htm
for lots of creation/evolution information
anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
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