RE: How and when did we become "men"?

From: Dick Fischer (dickfischer@earthlink.net)
Date: Sun Apr 21 2002 - 22:58:10 EDT

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    Hi Glenn, you wrote:

    >Dick Replied,
    > >
    > >"Falsified"? I can't discuss what is missing, Glenn.
    >
    >Dick, please read what I said. I asked you to discuss the evidence I cited
    >of animal sacrifice. How can you say it is missing? It is in the penultimate
    >e-maile I sent you.

    Sometimes I think we talk passed each other, Glenn. It is probably my fault
    for not being verbally exacting enough. I'll try to do better.

    First, why in the world would you want to discuss bears with me? What do
    I know about bears? I honestly know nothing more than anyone would who
    had taken a trip to the zoo. So if the subject is bears, please, you talk,
    I'll listen.

    What I mentioned is that at Catal Huyuk, a city that was abandoned
    prior to the cities of southern Mesopotamia getting off the ground, there
    was no animal sacrifice as evidenced by an alter coupled with a runoff
    system that would channel the blood. Therefore, I consider it likely that
    the kind of wholesale sacrificing of unblemished, domesticated animals
    performed by the Israelites, and picked up by the Sumerians, was not
    performed prior to the time of the Patriarchs, that is no earlier than 7,000
    years ago.

    > >What you seem to want to imply is that this "spirituality" exists because
    > >all hominids emanate from Adam. That's an argument that is DOA in my
    >book.
    >
    >I don't think you even discuss it in your book, if I may be permitted to
    >make a logical equivocation here.

    I meant "in my book" the expression - not in my book, The Origins Solution.

    >One reason I have not done much over the past couple of years is that I find
    >it very generally useless to discuss evidence with people who have already
    >got their minds firmly shut, which seems to be at a higher percentage among
    >religious peoples. And that is truly sad. And because of this, these
    >discussions have come to frustrate me because no matter what one puts out,
    >it is generally ignored, as you did, claiming that animal sacrifice didn't
    >exist prior to 7000 BC and when presented with evidence, you don't even
    >mention it in your next email in any substantive manner (other than that
    >lots of stuff about killing bears snipped).

    Yes, because killing wild bears is not the same thing as sacrificing
    domesticated cattle.

    >Insanity is doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different
    >outcome. By that definition, I am insane.

    I won't even comment on that.

    >And let's change the ground rules here. For the future, simply assume I
    >don't believe my own concordance of genesis with science.

    You not only disagree with me, you don't agree with yourself? Glenn,
    frankly you amaze me!

    >No longer assume that I am trying to convince anyone of that viewpoint.
    >Assume that I am
    >merely trying to show you places where your view is contradicted by the
    >data. And boy does your view fail to meet any level of anthropological data
    >or physical reality.

    I believe you have me confused with someone else with whom you differ.
    Anthropological assumptions change with new findings. What is believed
    today differs from what was believed only 15 years ago. Where is
    Homo habilis, for example?

    (It's funny, as I am typing this the Discovery Channel is showing "The
    Real Eve," how presumably we all descended from mitochondrial "Eve"
    who lived 150,000 years ago.)

    But this (the TV show) is a case in point - it's interesting, but I don't
    care!
    Anthropological data is in the domain of anthropologists. What happened
    prior to Adam's entry is not my concern. I only echo what anthropologists
    report. I have no dog in the fight.

    When we get to southern Mesopotamia about 7,000 years ago, then
    I get interested.

    Dick Fischer - The Origins Solution - www.orisol.com
    "The answer we should have known about 150 years ago"



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