Re: Qs for Dr. Collins

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. (dfsiemensjr@juno.com)
Date: Tue Mar 26 2002 - 23:31:59 EST

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    Allen,
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:53:27 -0700 "Allen Roy" <allenroy@peoplepc.com>
    writes:
    > Dr. Collins, why should the relatedness of living things point more
    > to
    > evolution than to a common Designer with distinct creational
    > categories?
    >
    > Musical notes, for example, do not evolve one from another. They
    > have
    > relatedness, but they come from a Composer.
    >
    > An author may write many books, and there may be relatedness between
    > them,
    > but one book did not evolve from the other. The connection was in
    > the mind
    > of the author, etc.
    >
    > Why could this not be true for living organisms? Horses may have
    > many
    > similarities with catfish.
    > Could not the Designer make both using similar ideas without having
    > one
    > evolve from the other?
    >
    This is hardly a question for a geneticist, so I'll respond as a logician
    with a question growing out of an earlier interchange. What could be the
    purpose of the Creator's introducing a retroviral sequence into the
    genomes of some of the great apes and man? Were they functional, of
    course. But they have no function in gorillas, chimpanzees or humans. Of
    course, God can do anything he pleases. But what could be the purpose
    from God's side? to mislead us? That at least is more likely than that he
    is incompetent and simply messed up, except that would make him
    deceitful. What's your choice: incompetent inclusion? intentional
    deception? using evolution to accomplish his purpose?

    If all the genetic sequences were functional, coding for proteins,
    controlling coding, providing connections for the filaments that pull
    chromosomes apart in mitosis and meiosis, etc., you'd have a point, for
    it would all fit a clear design concept. But the amount of non-coding DNA
    eliminates the notion of intelligent design of much of the genome, even
    if we find that some of it is not junk.

    As I see it, the situation in the genome is similar to that of a
    demonstration by a mechanized British artillery unit. During the
    demonstration, one soldier stood at attention off to one side. Nobody
    could explain why. But investigation finally revealed that his earlier
    counterpart had held the horses while the rest of the crew fired the
    field piece. His position was left over, not designed in.
    >
    > Is the total number of genes in humans still around 30,000?
    >
    > Allen Roy
    >
    Dave



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