Re: Dr. Henry Schaefer and YECism

From: M.B.Roberts (topper@robertschirk.u-net.com)
Date: Thu Feb 22 2001 - 04:35:58 EST

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    Following Henry Schaefer and his lecture, I am a Traditionalist especially
    in my chemistry. I take a traditional (1820s) view of the Atomic weight of
    Carbon and accept the same as Darwin did in his only chemical notes.
    I believe that the Atomic weight of Carbon is 6 and not 12.

    Why shouldnt I teach that in schools or colleges as it is my honest belief?

    Can schaefer or anyone eklse tell me why not?

    Michael Roberts

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: <CMSharp01@aol.com>
    To: <asa@calvin.edu>
    Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 7:43 AM
    Subject: Dr. Henry Schaefer and YECism

    > I went to a public talk this evening at the University of Arizona given
    > by Dr. Henry Schaefer, who is a quantum chemist (and Nobel Prize
    > nominee), and who is also an evangelical Christian. The talk was
    > billed as being on "Ten Questions Intellectuals Ask About Christianity",
    > although in fact about 18 questions were dealt with. These were
    > standard questions like can you prove God exists, and why does God
    > allow suffering? I thought there would be more of a scientific context,
    > in particular the interaction (or lack thereof) between science and
    > theology, but I enjoyed it nevertheless.
    >
    > After the talk there was about 1/2 hour for public questions fielded by
    > the audience, followed by time for questions on a one-to-one basis
    > out at the front. Inevitably some of the questions involved creation and
    > evolution. During the talk or during the formal question time, I can't
    > remember which, Dr.Schaefer made it clear that he was reluctant to
    > discuss the age of the earth/universe, stating that he would get into
    > trouble with his wife (who I don't believe was there), as he said he
    > disagreed with his wife on the age of the earth/universe. Clearly his
    > wife is a YEC, but he is obviously not. He mentioned the Big Bang on
    > a couple of occasions and said he had no trouble with long ages for the
    > earth. It would be impossible of course to imagine a Nobel Prize
    > nominee being a YEC anyway.
    >
    > However, I was a bit disturbed by his response to a question posed
    > during the formal question session when someone asked if the speed
    > of light was decreasing. Dr.Schaefer clearly stated that
    > measurements in the last 100 years or so showed no change, and
    > any changes observed would be due to experimental errors. However,
    > rather than going further and stating that there was no observational
    > evidence that the speed of light has changed in the past, he talked
    > about the fact that we had to make uniformitarium assumptions, as
    > these were consistent with the observations, and gave the impression,
    > I think, to the audience that there might be an uncertainty about this,
    > without stating it explicitly. In view of the fact that he had earlier
    > stated that the fundamental constants are very well tuned, I thought
    > that the impression he gave about the speed of light was surprising.
    >
    > After the formal questions I went up and pressed him on this point,
    > stating that from the spectral lines of distant galaxies and the
    > observed fine structure constant we can see that the velocity of
    > light was the same in the past. Being a quantum chemist he would
    > of course have known this. His reply to me was that any possible
    > change in the speed of light would have been before the Planck time,
    > about 10^-43 seconds after the Big Bang, and clearly the velocity of
    > light has been constant since then. He was also very reluctant to
    > get into any discussion when I mentioned the ICR and AiG, which he
    > knew to be YEC organizations.
    >
    > >From the fact that he was a little bit ambiguous in public about his
    > views of the speed of light, and played down YECism, it's seems to
    > be clear to me that he regards YEC as somewhat as an
    > embarrassment to evangelical Christianity, but tries to avoid the
    > subject so as not to alienate any YECs present.
    >
    > These are my musing right or wrong, anyway.
    >
    > Christopher M. Sharp
    > http://www.csharp.com
    >
    >



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