Re: [asa] Religious Groups Differ on Climate Change

On the website page:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/10/how-not-to-attribute-climate-change/#more-351

There is a long interchange of ideas between the RealClimate
scientists and Nicola Scafetta on an earlier version of the paper. It
is a polite exchange of ideas. Nicola Scafetta's thesis is rejected,
for reasons which seem to me to be credible.

Burgy

On 4/29/09, William Hamilton <willeugenehamilton@gmail.com> wrote:
> My review covers _three_ papers. One establishes the Levy component in
> solar irradiance, one finds a Levy component with a similar complexity
> exponent in earth teperature records, and the third establishes a
> mechanism for synchronization of earth climate with solar irradiance
> variations. The closeness of the complexity indices causes a resonance
> effect that provides a climate variation much larger than the 0.1%
> variation in solar irradiance. I've read the paper realclimate
> complains about and I don't see any of the differencing approaches
> they complain about. They do everything with wavelets, not
> differencing.
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM, John Burgeson (ASA member)
> <hossradbourne@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There is also a review of an earlier version of this paper on RealClimate
>> at
>>
>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/10/how-not-to-attribute-climate-change/#more-351
>>
>> Burgy
>>
>> On 4/25/09, William Hamilton <willeugenehamilton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I promised a review of Scafetta et. al.'s work on my blog. It's now
>>> up: http://www.bricolagia.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:21 AM, William Hamilton
>>> <willeugenehamilton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think it has something to do with the fact that many evangelicals
>>>> have embraced conservative economics. Walter Williams, a conservative
>>>> economist, has written about global warming:
>>>> http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/08/GlobalWarmingRope-A-Dope.htm
>>>> I don't know Williams religious persuasion. Other conservative
>>>> economists generally deplore doomsday theories (e.g. Julian Simon
>>>> http://www.juliansimon.com/)
>>>> Perhaps another factor is the belief that God is in control -- the
>>>> world will end at  time of God's choosing, not before, not after (Matt
>>>> 24:36)
>>>>
>>>> For my part I wouldn't call myself an AGW skeptic, but before we adopt
>>>> government-mandated solutions that require massive adjustments and may
>>>> lead to extreme poverty in many parts of the world, we'd better know
>>>> what we're talking about. One series of papers that makes me wonder if
>>>> IPCC has considered all the evidence may be found in the work of
>>>> Nicola Scafetta and his colleagues.
>>>> http://www.fel.duke.edu/~scafetta/. The IPCC's arguments seem to be
>>>> based primarily on the increase of atmospheric CO2 in the past
>>>> century. They discount the solar irradiance as a factor because it
>>>> varies by only 0.1 percent.  However, Scafetta et. al. analyze the
>>>> sun/earth heat propagation using stochastic resonance theory and find
>>>> that there is indeed a resonance-like phenomenon that makes the solar
>>>> contribution much greater than 0.1 percent. This does not negate
>>>> global warming, but may establish that considerably more of it is due
>>>> to solar irradiance than IPCC believes. Scafetta et. al.'s papers are
>>>> not easy reading. However I have written a review that provides  a
>>>> road map through them, a first draft of which I will be glad to email
>>>> to anyone interested. (I'll put it on my blog as soon as I can get
>>>> around to editing some of the HTML I need)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Iain Strachan <igd.strachan@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://scienceandreligiontoday.blogspot.com/2009/04/religious-groups-disagree-on-climate.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See above from the Science and Religion Today Blog.
>>>>>
>>>>> It pretty much says what we already know, but I am puzzled, and
>>>>> perhaps
>>>>> someone over your side can explain to me.  Why is it that white
>>>>> evangelical
>>>>> protestants seem to have the biggest opposition to the notion that
>>>>> climate
>>>>> change is caused by human activity?
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't see the connection with Christian belief.  I can understand
>>>>> why
>>>>> fundamentalists oppose evolution & see it as a threat to their faith.
>>>>> But
>>>>> why climate change (in particular as caused by human activity)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a naive question that I hope someone can explain to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Iain
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -----------
>>>>> Non timeo sed caveo
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> William E (Bill) Hamilton Jr., Ph.D.
>>>> Member American Scientific Affiliation
>>>> Austin, TX
>>>> 248 821 8156
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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