Re: [asa] Lincoln and Darwin

George? Nuanced?

David? Nuanced?

This gave me a chuckle
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Burgeson (ASA member)" <hossradbourne@gmail.com>
To: <gmurphy10@neo.rr.com>
Cc: "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>; "Dick Fischer" <dickfischer@verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Lincoln and Darwin

> George's reply was a lot more nuanced than one I'd have made!
>
> jb
>
> On 2/13/09, gmurphy10@neo.rr.com <gmurphy10@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>> You should have asked for a return of the tuition for this course if the
>> rest of it was as fictitious as this. In that it resembles the YEC essay
>> Burgy posted.
>>
>> Shalom,
>> George
>>
>> ---- Dick Fischer <dickfischer@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> When I was a college student studying American History at the University
>>> of
>>> Missouri, a southerner, Dr Bugg, was our professor. During one of his
>>> lectures on the Civil War he timed the ending to absolute perfection.
>>> He
>>> drove home the point that when Lincoln took office some southern states
>>> seceded, but it wasn't until he passed a Republican tariff bill on
>>> imported
>>> goods that the rest of the states could see what was coming with a
>>> Republican administration and the remainder of the thirteen states
>>> seceded
>>> and formed the Confederacy. His point was that Lincoln caused the war.
>>> The
>>> seceding states would have come back into the fold, slavery wasn't going
>>> to
>>> survive much longer and would go away on its own, and the lives of over
>>> a
>>> million men would have been spared. To this day I can still hear him
>>> thunder, "And the man of the hour was never Abraham Lincoln, but Stephen
>>> A.
>>> Douglas"! Then the bell rang and we all remained stunned in our seats.
>>>
>>> Dick Fischer, GPA president
>>> Genesis Proclaimed Association
>>> "Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"
>>> www.genesisproclaimed.org
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
>>> Behalf Of Ted Davis
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:09 AM
>>> To: asa@calvin.edu; gordon brown
>>> Subject: Re: [asa] Lincoln and Darwin
>>>
>>> I read somewhere last year (I think in a history magazine, but in
>>> something
>>> by a professional historian), in an article on Lincoln and Darwin, that
>>> the
>>> 3 individuals about whom historians had written the most were, in order:
>>>
>>> Jesus
>>> Napoleon
>>> Lincoln
>>>
>>> Darwin was somewhere down the list.
>>>
>>> IMO, Darwin was probably the most influential scientist of the 19th
>>> century, in terms of influence of ideas on the wider culture. But
>>> that's
>>> certainly an arguable point -- who is to say that Faraday or Maxwell or
>>> Pasteur or Liebig or ... well, you can probably come up with several
>>> other
>>> names here, wasn't equally influential, since their ideas ended up in
>>> zillions of important applications. It depends on the kinds of
>>> influences
>>> you want to talk about.
>>>
>>> Darwin was also IMO one of the greatest scientists of his century, but
>>> (again) you can make a good case for Helmholtz (he's my own choice for
>>> number one) and others.
>>>
>>> When it comes to statesmen from that century, however, it's hard to make
>>> a
>>> case for anyone other than Lincoln, IMO. Certainly the greatest
>>> American
>>> president of any century, and enormously influential all over the world.
>>>
>>> As a single bicentennial day, I doubt there's a more important one than
>>> this when it comes to multiple individuals.
>>>
>>> Ted
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