Re: [asa] Two questions...

I think a TE ministry would and could find success A) if it did not largely
base itself on attacking YECs, but simply arguing the case for a TE view of
genesis, and B) if it did not obviously dump large portions of biblical
christianity as well, to the point that it seemed practically unitarian in
outlook. The second part in particular seems to be a problem, since it often
seems that one big roadblock to even considering TE is the view that
evolution necessitates other views more orthodox christians sharply disagree
with, such as a justification of eugenics-friendly views and policies.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:38 PM, John Walley <john_walley@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Also I thought of Fred Hereen who wrote "Show Me God" after I sent this. He
> has a small radio and print ministry aimed at the popular audience that is
> solidly TE. He is a good guy and may be a better example of what we have in
> the way of nascent TE popular ministries but I agree I would like to see
> more. In fact I would like to see a church atmosphere where those guys could
> survive and even thrive. Well we can hope anyway.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> > Subject: RE: [asa] Two questions...
> > To: "asa@calvin.edu" <asa@calvin.edu>
> > Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:47 PM
> > John Walley said " I think the best we have is the
> > Thank God for Evolution guy but in my neck of the woods
> > people think he is misguided at best, a quack in general and
> > one of those evil-lutionist servants of Satan on the other
> > extreme."
> >
> > That guy is not a Christian- he doesn't even believe in
> > an afterlife. I asked him in a group presentation once in
> > Portland. He masquerades as a Christian to get into the
> > Christian marketplace, I think.
> >
> > ...Bernie
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> > [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of John Walley
> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:35 PM
> > To: Keith Miller; Dave Wallace
> > Cc: AmericanScientificAffiliation Affiliation
> > Subject: Re: [asa] Two questions...
> >
> >
> >
> > Herein lies the reason for the lack of a prominent TE
> > oriented ministry, there is no support or market for it in
> > the church. Face it, becoming a TE will get you kicked out
> > of most evangelical churches. My friend was afraid to tell
> > his own wife for months and when he did he said he felt it
> > would have been easier to tell her he was gay.
> >
> > I used to long for a TE ministry to belong to as well until
> > I realized just how divisive and polarizing this was. I
> > would love to see RTB or Ravi Z or William Lane Craig or
> > Chuck Colson come out and stress honest science as an
> > effective evangelical tool (what a concept) but it would
> > likely mean ministry suicide for them overnight. Not that
> > that is a bad thing but just something that is not likely to
> > happen.
> >
> > I think the best we have is the Thank God for Evolution guy
> > but in my neck of the woods people think he is misguided at
> > best, a quack in general and one of those evil-lutionist
> > servants of Satan on the other extreme. I think this is
> > something that people just have to come to on their own and
> > the word leaks out gradually. And maybe it is best if it is
> > not popularized or marketed. The church definitely has a
> > major theological reset coming to it though. I think it will
> > be equivalent to that of the Copernican Revolution if not
> > more impactful and I don't think that is an
> > exaggeration.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Dave Wallace
> > <wmdavid.wallace@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Dave Wallace <wmdavid.wallace@gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [asa] Two questions...
> > > To: "Keith Miller" <kbmill@ksu.edu>
> > > Cc: "AmericanScientificAffiliation
> > Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
> > > Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 6:57 PM
> > > Keith Miller wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't think that there necessarily has to
> > be an
> > > organization built around every valued and important
> > > ministry. I very much see myself in the role that you
> > > describe above. That is the motivation for much of
> > what I
> > > do. There are many efforts by a diverse range of
> > > individuals and organizations for which this is an
> > important
> > > goal.
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > I for one very much appreciate the book that Keith
> > > contributed to and edited as well as all the other
> > people on
> > > the list who also wrote chapters!
> > > I would be very surprised if either Keith, George or
> > Dick
> > > make much if any money from their books. It would be
> > nice
> > > if there were an endowment to at least pay for a good
> > part
> > > of the authors time.
> > >
> > > Thanks all
> > > Dave Wallace
> > >
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