RE: [asa] Two questions...

Also I thought of Fred Hereen who wrote "Show Me God" after I sent this. He has a small radio and print ministry aimed at the popular audience that is solidly TE. He is a good guy and may be a better example of what we have in the way of nascent TE popular ministries but I agree I would like to see more. In fact I would like to see a church atmosphere where those guys could survive and even thrive. Well we can hope anyway.

Thanks

John

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com> wrote:

> From: Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> Subject: RE: [asa] Two questions...
> To: "asa@calvin.edu" <asa@calvin.edu>
> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:47 PM
> John Walley said " I think the best we have is the
> Thank God for Evolution guy but in my neck of the woods
> people think he is misguided at best, a quack in general and
> one of those evil-lutionist servants of Satan on the other
> extreme."
>
> That guy is not a Christian- he doesn't even believe in
> an afterlife. I asked him in a group presentation once in
> Portland. He masquerades as a Christian to get into the
> Christian marketplace, I think.
>
> ...Bernie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of John Walley
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:35 PM
> To: Keith Miller; Dave Wallace
> Cc: AmericanScientificAffiliation Affiliation
> Subject: Re: [asa] Two questions...
>
>
>
> Herein lies the reason for the lack of a prominent TE
> oriented ministry, there is no support or market for it in
> the church. Face it, becoming a TE will get you kicked out
> of most evangelical churches. My friend was afraid to tell
> his own wife for months and when he did he said he felt it
> would have been easier to tell her he was gay.
>
> I used to long for a TE ministry to belong to as well until
> I realized just how divisive and polarizing this was. I
> would love to see RTB or Ravi Z or William Lane Craig or
> Chuck Colson come out and stress honest science as an
> effective evangelical tool (what a concept) but it would
> likely mean ministry suicide for them overnight. Not that
> that is a bad thing but just something that is not likely to
> happen.
>
> I think the best we have is the Thank God for Evolution guy
> but in my neck of the woods people think he is misguided at
> best, a quack in general and one of those evil-lutionist
> servants of Satan on the other extreme. I think this is
> something that people just have to come to on their own and
> the word leaks out gradually. And maybe it is best if it is
> not popularized or marketed. The church definitely has a
> major theological reset coming to it though. I think it will
> be equivalent to that of the Copernican Revolution if not
> more impactful and I don't think that is an
> exaggeration.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Dave Wallace
> <wmdavid.wallace@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Dave Wallace <wmdavid.wallace@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [asa] Two questions...
> > To: "Keith Miller" <kbmill@ksu.edu>
> > Cc: "AmericanScientificAffiliation
> Affiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
> > Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 6:57 PM
> > Keith Miller wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think that there necessarily has to
> be an
> > organization built around every valued and important
> > ministry. I very much see myself in the role that you
> > describe above. That is the motivation for much of
> what I
> > do. There are many efforts by a diverse range of
> > individuals and organizations for which this is an
> important
> > goal.
> > >
> > > Keith
> > I for one very much appreciate the book that Keith
> > contributed to and edited as well as all the other
> people on
> > the list who also wrote chapters!
> > I would be very surprised if either Keith, George or
> Dick
> > make much if any money from their books. It would be
> nice
> > if there were an endowment to at least pay for a good
> part
> > of the authors time.
> >
> > Thanks all
> > Dave Wallace
> >
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