Re: [asa] Yes -- the YECs are still winning

2 points:

1) As far as I'm concerned, "Why is devotion to Christ important" was a rhetorical question. My point was that making the claim that he _is_ important is a doctrinal statement, albeit an extremely basic (& incomplete) one.

2) If a prominent YEC shows up on Sunday morning when I'm presiding at the service & comes forward for Communion, I'll give him/her the Sacrament. (Assuming, that is, that that person isn't an "open and notorious sinner," in which category I don't put holding YEC views!) But I will - as civilly but as forcefully as possible do everything I can to discredit that person's promulgation of YEC views.

Shalom,
George

---- james000777@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > So why is "a devotion to Christ" important?
> Because we are Christians. A "devotion to Christ" indicates just that. Not a devotion to Buddha, etc. I think this group is absolutely wonderful. Do I agree with all of you on all issues? No. But we aren't debating whether Buddha is better than Christ - I wouldn't be here if that were the case. We discuss the issues around the integration of science and faith - with Faith being Christianity. YEC's are certainly Christians. I think there are some people who call themselves Christians - who (in my opinion) probably aren't. But building walls won't help them to become better Christians or us to try and help them to become better Christians.
>
> James Patterson
> -------------- Original message from <gmurphy10@neo.rr.com>: --------------
>
> So why is "a devotion to Christ" important? That's a doctrinal statement too.
> > I can understand someone who asserts "Jesus is not Lord" but not one who says "Jesus is Lord but I'm not claiming
> > that that is true."
> >
> > Shalom,
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- "John Burgeson (ASA member)" wrote:
> > > On 2/5/09, Dehler, Bernie wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A question: Why not have a position against YEC since this is a group of
> > > > scientists who reject a young earth because it goes against science? Their
> > > > name alone disqualifies them in science- "young earth" (unlike 'old earth'
> > > > or titles with 'evolutionist' in it).
> > >
> > > I understand the argument here. But I will argue against it.
> > >
> > > I am personally uncomfortable with the ASA taking such a position. In
> > > all Christian groups there are "fence builders" and "bridge builders."
> > > I think the former do a disservice to the faith, regardless of their
> > > stated motivations.
> > >
> > > I am reminded of the Christmas card we got last December from an old
> > > friend who proudly stated that he and his wife had left their
> > > denomination "to affiliate with those who say "Jesus is the Way"
> > > rather than "Jesus is a way." If our fellowship depends on doctrinal
> > > orthodoxy -- or on anything except a devotion to Christ -- it may not
> > > be worth very much.
> > >
> > > Finally, there are some YECs who hold that position while admitting
> > > the scientific data does not support it. I presume some are
> > > scientists, and therefore eligible as anyone else to be ASA members. I
> > > don't have to agree with their thinking to have fellowship with them!
> > >
> > > Even such persons as Henry Morris and Duane Gish, who continue to
> > > argue YEC on the basis of bad science, I count as friends (I know --
> > > Henry has gone on). Our common bond in Christ trumps all.
> > >
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