RE: [asa] Conundrum

Captain Kirk: "Everything Harry Mudd says, is a lie."

Harry Mudd: "I am lying."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Mudd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_paradox

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On Behalf Of Dehler, Bernie
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:38 PM
> Cc: ASA
> Subject: RE: [asa] Conundrum
>
>
> Don said:
> ""All Cretans are liars" when said by a Cretan."
>
> You have to define more what a "liar" is. Does a liar always
> lie? That means a Cretan, if a liar, can't quote someone else
> who is true? The fallacy there is that a "liar" always lies every
> time they open their mouth. Actually, everyone is a liar,
> because if you tell only one lie in your life you are a liar.
> Doing one murder makes you a murderer; doing one lie makes you a liar.
>
> So this example looks different than that of Dick's example- this
> one plays with definitions.
>
> ...Bernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Nield [mailto:d.nield@auckland.ac.nz]
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:26 PM
> To: Dehler, Bernie
> Cc: ASA
> Subject: Re: [asa] Conundrum
>
> Bernie:
> There is also a deeper reason. The statement is self-referential, of the
> type "All Cretans are liars" when said by a Cretan. Such statements can
> contain paradoxes. Perhaps the best answer to Dick is that his question
> is unanswerable. :-)
> Don
>
> Dehler, Bernie wrote:
> > " and the sentence also flipped from being "false" to "true" in
> the midst of evaluation."
> >
> > I mean the sentence changed from false (in the midst of
> evaluation) to being true (after evaluation was complete).
> >
> > Summary: Three errors, and the statement is true.
> >
> > Actually- the real answer needs more clarification- this is a
> good example of conflation- conflating logical errors as equal
> with syntax errors. ... they are all just 'errors,' right?
> (Wrong.) If you asked how many syntax errors there were, versus
> how many logical errors, the answer is easy. Two syntax errors,
> 1 logical error.
> >
> > ...Bernie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dehler, Bernie
> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:07 PM
> > Cc: ASA
> > Subject: RE: [asa] Conundrum
> >
> > Error 1: 'ar' should be 'are'
> > Error 2: 'threee' should be 'three'
> >
> > That makes 2 errors. The sentence says there are three errors,
> which makes that an error, so now there are three errors.
> >
> > So there are three errors, and the sentence also flipped from
> being "false" to "true" in the midst of evaluation.
> >
> > Correct?
> >
> > ...Bernie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of John Walley
> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 11:45 AM
> > To: Dick Fischer; Don Nield
> > Cc: ASA
> > Subject: Re: [asa] Conundrum
> >
> > I would say there is only one error. The third e is just in the
> wrong place.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Don Nield <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From: Don Nield <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz>
> >> Subject: Re: [asa] Conundrum
> >> To: "Dick Fischer" <dickfischer@verizon.net>
> >> Cc: "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>
> >> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:51 AM
> >> It depends on how one defines an error, but I would has that
> >> there are just two spelling errors and the count could be a
> >> further error, or allowing for self reference might not be
> >> an error!
> >> Don
> >>
> >>
> >> Dick Fischer wrote:
> >>
> >>> How many mistakes can you find in the following
> >>>
> >> sentence:
> >>
> >>> "There ar threee errors."
> >>> Dick Fischer, GPA president
> >>> Genesis Proclaimed Association
> >>> "Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and
> >>>
> >> History"
> >>
> >>> www.genesisproclaimed.org
> >>>
> >>>
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