Re: [asa] Conundrum

I'm thinking that there is only one error, namely Dick. I've been
wondering about him for a long time.
Dave (ASA)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:05:17 +1300 Don Nield <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz>
writes:
> Bernie is nit-picking and has missed the main point. I suggest that
> he
> does a google search on "All Cretans are liars". He will then be
> referred to the Wikipedia entry for the Epimenides paradox.. I will
> say
> no more on this thread.
> Don
>
>
> Dehler, Bernie wrote:
> > Don said:
> > ""All Cretans are liars" when said by a Cretan."
> >
> > You have to define more what a "liar" is. Does a liar always lie?
> That means a Cretan, if a liar, can't quote someone else who is
> true? The fallacy there is that a "liar" always lies every time they
> open their mouth. Actually, everyone is a liar, because if you tell
> only one lie in your life you are a liar. Doing one murder makes
> you a murderer; doing one lie makes you a liar.
> >
> > So this example looks different than that of Dick's example- this
> one plays with definitions.
> >
> > ...Bernie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Don Nield [mailto:d.nield@auckland.ac.nz]
> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:26 PM
> > To: Dehler, Bernie
> > Cc: ASA
> > Subject: Re: [asa] Conundrum
> >
> > Bernie:
> > There is also a deeper reason. The statement is self-referential,
> of the
> > type "All Cretans are liars" when said by a Cretan. Such
> statements can
> > contain paradoxes. Perhaps the best answer to Dick is that his
> question
> > is unanswerable. :-)
> > Don
> >
> > Dehler, Bernie wrote:
> >
> >> " and the sentence also flipped from being "false" to "true" in
> the midst of evaluation."
> >>
> >> I mean the sentence changed from false (in the midst of
> evaluation) to being true (after evaluation was complete).
> >>
> >> Summary: Three errors, and the statement is true.
> >>
> >> Actually- the real answer needs more clarification- this is a
> good example of conflation- conflating logical errors as equal with
> syntax errors. ... they are all just 'errors,' right? (Wrong.) If
> you asked how many syntax errors there were, versus how many logical
> errors, the answer is easy. Two syntax errors, 1 logical error.
> >>
> >> ...Bernie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dehler, Bernie
> >> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:07 PM
> >> Cc: ASA
> >> Subject: RE: [asa] Conundrum
> >>
> >> Error 1: 'ar' should be 'are'
> >> Error 2: 'threee' should be 'three'
> >>
> >> That makes 2 errors. The sentence says there are three errors,
> which makes that an error, so now there are three errors.
> >>
> >> So there are three errors, and the sentence also flipped from
> being "false" to "true" in the midst of evaluation.
> >>
> >> Correct?
> >>
> >> ...Bernie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of John Walley
> >> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 11:45 AM
> >> To: Dick Fischer; Don Nield
> >> Cc: ASA
> >> Subject: Re: [asa] Conundrum
> >>
> >> I would say there is only one error. The third e is just in the
> wrong place.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Don Nield <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Don Nield <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz>
> >>> Subject: Re: [asa] Conundrum
> >>> To: "Dick Fischer" <dickfischer@verizon.net>
> >>> Cc: "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>
> >>> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:51 AM
> >>> It depends on how one defines an error, but I would has that
> >>> there are just two spelling errors and the count could be a
> >>> further error, or allowing for self reference might not be
> >>> an error!
> >>> Don
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dick Fischer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> How many mistakes can you find in the following
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> sentence:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> "There ar threee errors."
> >>>> Dick Fischer, GPA president
> >>>> Genesis Proclaimed Association
> >>>> "Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> History"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> www.genesisproclaimed.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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