Re: [asa] Creationism Conference

The issue is not - or should not be - personalities. YEC teachings are
poisoning the church in the United States and for that matter the broader
society.. Anything that gives those who promulgate them aid and comfort is
a mistake.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Matheson" <smatheso@calvin.edu>
To: "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>; "Dick Fischer" <dickfischer@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Creationism Conference

>I know some of the people who will be there, and know them to be
>intelligent and decent persons of high integrity. So I'm not excited about
>this crass mockery, and I'm especially uncomfortable with the mention of
>"lying." I'm certain that the conference will include crankery and
>ignorance and maybe even some forms of dishonesty, but I'm also quite sure
>that it will be attended by some scientists with expertise and integrity.
>In the ASA that I would like to belong to (if it exists), young-earth
>creationists of competence and integrity would be fully welcome and would
>feel as comfortable as an evolutionary creationist or design proponent
>would. I doubt that comments like Dick's give that impression.
>
> I think I understand Dick's response, and I don't want to make it sound
> like I don't also feel immense frustration and anger when considering the
> actions of fellow Christians who claim to reject common descent or the
> ancient earth. But we really don't want to suggest that Mike Gene is the
> same kind of person that Bill Dembski seems to be, any more than we want
> to suggest that I am the same kind of person that Richard Dawkins seems to
> be, or that Andrew Snelling is the same kind of person that Jonathan
> Sarfati seems to be. Dick's comments would seem to suggest that one
> cannot expect to find YECs with professional (or personal) integrity. I
> know this to be untrue.
>
> Oh, and one of these years (next year I hope) I intend to attend an ICC,
> and I would expect to be treated with respect and decency, maybe even with
> warm hospitality. Wouldn't it be great if our listserv and/or our
> meetings could be characterized like that?
>
> Steve Matheson, who isn't for a moment suggesting that we oughtn't be
> strongly critical of bad ideas
>
>>>> "Dick Fischer" <dickfischer@verizon.net> 06/21/08 9:19 AM >>>
> Looks like a real gathering of eagles. I wonder if "Lying with a
> Straight Face" is a title of any of the conference papers?
>
> Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
> Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
> <http://www.historicalgenesis.com> www.historicalgenesis.com
>
> 2008 International Conference on Creationism
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> This summer, the International Conference on <http://www.icc08.org/>
> Creationism (ICC) will be held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania from August
> 3-7 at the Radisson Hotel
> <http://www.icc08.org/ICCmaptoRadissonHotel10.pdf> Conference Center.
> Creation <http://www.csfpittsburgh.org/> Science Fellowship (CSF)
> working together with The Institute for Creation Research
> <http://www.icr.org/> (ICR) will host this scientific conference
> featuring about forty peer-reviewed research papers dealing with the
> topic of origins.
> The ICC is the world's leading scientific conference for developing the
> creation model and will feature about forty
> <http://www.icc08.org/schedule.htm> original papers and special evening
> presentations by the world's leading creation researchers and speakers
> including Andrew Snelling, Russ Humphreys, John Baumgardner, Steve
> Austin, John Sanford, John Whitmore, John Hartnett and many more. These
> papers, as well as the evening presentations are described on the
> conference web site which is www.icc08.org <http://www.icc08.org/> .
> This conference will be of special interest to Christian high school and
> college science teachers. The papers cover a wide variety of topics
> falling into any one of the following categories: Foundations of
> Science, Life Sciences, Stellar and Planetary Sciences, Earth Sciences,
> Social Sciences and the Humanities. These sessions require
> registration.
> You have three options for conference registration:
> 1. Register online at www.icc08.org
> 2. Use the form on our ICC brochure
> <http://www.icc08.org/ICC2008_Brochure.pdf> .
> 3. Use the special Registration PDF Form
> <http://www.icc08.org/reg_form.pdf> available on our web site. It has
> form fields so you can type your information and then print it.
> The cost is explained in detail with any of the above three resources.
> Though the daytime session are technical and require registration, the
> evening presentations are free and open to the public. The technical
> level of the evening presentations will be appropriate for the average
> adult audience. Teenagers, parents, pastors, and anyone interested in
> the topic of origins will all find these evening sessions beneficial.
> * Sunday, August 3 - Speaker: Dr. Russ Humphreys, PhD
> Topic: Why is the "Age-Issue" important to the Origins Debate and in
> particular to the Creation Model of Origins?
> * Monday, August 4 - Speaker: Steve Austin, PhD
> Topic: Understanding the Mud Flow Revolution
> * Tuesday, August 5 - Speaker: John Baumgardner, PhD
> Topic: Catastrophic Plate Tectonics: A Mechanism for the Flood.
> * Wednesday, Aug. 6 - Speaker: Andrew Snelling, PhD
> Topic: The Creation Model: Its Past, Its Present and Its Necessary
> Future
> My responsibility is to coordinate publicity for the ICC conference.
> You can help by copying the text of this article to the clipboard and
> pasting it into the body of an email. Send the email to friends of
> yours whom you think would have an interest in this conference. Feel
> free to contact me directly with questions. My email address is
> stevesobek@comcast.net
> Steve Sobek
> ICC Publicity Coordinator
> and CEAI Member
> www.icc08.org <http://www.icc08.org/>
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