Re: [asa] Who's to blame for the lost ones?

Bill, you make what I think is a very helpful point here, one which many
folks often make: our faith is centrally about Christ. I wonder if the
"blame" isn't so much on any particular view of origins as it is on a highly
rationalist version of the faith elevates certain propositions, including
but not least about scripture, above the person of Christ. Did the person
who found his YECism shattered and gave up on Christianity altogether really
trust in and encounter the person of Christ? Or was his faith only in a set
of propositions?

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Bill Hamilton <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Burgy wrote
>
> > Glenn Morton has made the claim many times that it is the YECs who are
> > to blame, along with those in the church who swallow their stuff. He
> > has at least strong anecdotal evidence to back his claim.
>
> I certainly agree with Glenn that YECism can be a factor in an individual
> departing from the faith. (As a former Arminian I cannot agree with the
> Calvinist accusation that Arminians believe one can _lose_ his faith. In the
> Wesleyan church I came to know the Lord in we believed that an individual
> could willfully depart from the faith. But _lose_ it? Never)
>
> But my own experience might serve as a counterexample. I encountered YECism
> shortly after I became a Christian. I decided to investigate it and believed
> it for a time. But I soon discovered a number of flaws in it. At that point
> I had to make a decision, and I decided that no matter what I believed about
> creationism, I believed in Jesus Christ, my savior.
>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: j burg <hossradbourne@gmail.com>
> > To: "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> > Cc: asa@calvin.edu
> > Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 11:31:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [asa] Who's to blame for the lost ones?
> >
> > On 6/4/08, Dehler, Bernie wrote: (in part)
> >
> > > Imagine this, you hear a report at church that 10 kids accepted Christ
> > > in the 3rd grade Sunday School. Everyone claps.>
> > > Fast forward 10 years, and you hear that the kid who entered college
> > > just left the faith because they now believe in evolution.>
> > > Who's to blame, the evolutionist who is teaching the lie of evolution,
> > > or the church who says that evolution is a lie?
> > >>
> > Glenn Morton has made the claim many times that it is the YECs who are
> > to blame, along with those in the church who swallow their stuff. He
> > has at least strong anecdotal evidence to back his claim.
> >
> > I have but one example -- a high school close friend who was a
> > witnessing Christian whem I was not -- who lost his faith in college
> > when he found out the YEC stuff he believed was wrong. Dick went on to
> > a career as an executive with Pitney Bowles (sp?) and is now retired,
> > living in Florida, a confirmed atheist.
> >
> > I think (and pray) for him on occasion. Sad.
> >
> > > I'm thinking more about this because I'm offering to teach a class at
> > > church, and am anticipating the push-back... I think there is a faction
> > > that wants to keep everyone in slumber.
> > >
> > I hope you are successful. I have taught such a class several times
> > (see my web site for material). On the last occasion the regular
> > teacher was (and probably is) a YEC. But she was willing to at least
> > give me equal time (three weeks).
> >
> > Burgy
> >
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