RE: [asa] The Hebrew for the Making of Man

Hi Christine:

Your perception is akin to mine. He does bench press 300 pounds,
though. I met Tony Campolo at the Baptist Conference in Atlanta last
week. In his talk he admonished Christians for living the good life
while others around the world were starving. In his talk he asked:
"How can you be a Christian and drive a BMW"?

Oops! Should I sell mine?

Dick Fischer
Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association
Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
www.genesisproclaimed.org

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [asa] The Hebrew for the Making of Man

I haven't heard Joel Olsteen personally, but my
impression is about the same...I've heard it described
as "watered down" or "shallow" Christianity,
Christianity for beginners, "prosperity Gospel", etc.
One of my non-Christian co-workers once told me that
he liked Joel Olsteen because (to paraphrase), "he
doesn't go overboard, he just talks about how to be a
good person." Articles I have read indicate that he
brings people in with this "positive message", and
then talks about the Bible/Gospel later. Maybe someone
can correct me if I'm wrong...but I don't have much
interest in it myself...

Anyway, off to lunch...
In Christ,
Christine

--- j burg <hossradbourne@gmail.com> wrote:

> Being that friend wife is a PCUSA minister, we are
> seldom home on
> Sunday mornings. Yesterday, however, due to illness,
> we stayed home
> and watched Joel Osteen from the Houston Lakewood
> Church. My sister in
> Michigan hardly ever misses him.
>
> Anyhow, he sounded a lot like the late Norman
> Vincent Peale. Nothing
> in his sermon I could find to argue with although it
> was fairly
> repetitious. Compared to most Presbyterian sermons I
> have heard there
> was not a lot of "meat" in it.
>
> Anyway -- he is not a "Hagee" or a Robinson or like
> any of the others
> mentioned in this thread.
>
> Burgy
>
> On 2/4/08, Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > At 03:22 AM 2/4/2008, Iain Strachan wrote:
> >
> > "You ain't seen nothing yet! On a business trip to
> the Indianapolis last
> > week, I tuned in on my hotel TV to a channel
> called "Rejoice TV", where a
> > suited preacher called Dr. Neal Jackson ...had got
> a mathematician to work
> > out that there would have been 32 billion people
> born in the world since
> > Adam. Then, taking some figures (from Ezekiel I
> think?) about the
> > dimensions of Heaven, he figured out that if as
> many as half of humankind
> > made it to heaven that they'd each have 210 square
> miles in God's mansion
> > (with ceilings a mile high); a whole lotta real
> estate. I am not kidding -
> > I actually saw this. That was followed by another
> preacher, I forget the
> > name, preaching about "prosperity gospel", who
> seemed to have his
> > congregation whipped up into some kind of frenzy,
> doing bunny hops across
> > the floor and proclaiming "I'm never going to be
> in debt again!!". At this
> > point I was sufficiently turned off to turn it
> off. Christianity in Britain
> > seems a whole different religion as far as I can
> see. ~ Iain
> > @ It appears as if you can't see very far. No
> mature Christian in America
> > (or anywhere else) would think of tuning into any
> of the "Liars for Jesus"
> > aka "Grifter TV" for spiritual edification.
> >
> > And talking about TV "grifters" (liars for Jesus
> experts when it comes to
> > shearing dumb sheep), you ain't seen nothing yet!
> Floods, plagues,
> > pestillence, divine vengence, judgement, guilt --
> it's not a huge leap from
> > fire and brimstone to environmentalism:
> >
> > "Unless we announce disasters, no one will listen"
> ~ Rev. Sir John Houghton
> >
> > I tuned in to a tax-payer funded, "Public Radio"
> program where a female from
> > the group-think cloistered culture, by the name of
> Ms. Tippett, was
> > interviewing a suited preacher called Reverend
> Richard Cizik who was
> > talking about his conversion to .... get this:
> "the science of climate
> > change" after he got a scientist -- and also a
> "Reverend" (from The Royal
> > Society) -- who had worked out (with his computer
> models) that, climate
> > change is a weapon, and like terrorism, knows no
> boundaries. It can strike
> > anywhere in any form -- a heat wave in one place,
> a drought or a storm surge
> > in another" and that humankind has a 50/50 chance
> of surviving the 21st
> > century unless the US provides enough "love
> offerings" to stop that from
> > happening. And this proselytizer in impressive
> flowing robes also told him
> > that if anyone would dare go against the
> scientific consensus on climate
> > change he would be dismissed as a denier; a
> heretic, and a worker for the
> > Devil, ExxonMobil.
> >
> > I am not kidding - I actually heard this on public
> radio. And that was
> > followed by another preacher, I forget the name,
> preaching about "aversion
> > therapy", who seemed to have his congregation
> whipped up into some kind of
> > frenzy after he showed them a movie entitled
> "Clockwork Green" - (which had
> > distressing images of the projected ravages of
> "global warming"). I could
> > hear him leading his congregation in a frenzied
> chant, "I'm never going to
> > destroy the planet again!!"
> >
> > At this point I was sufficiently turned off to
> turn it off. Christianity on
> > public radio seems a whole different religion as
> far as I can see.
> >
> > ~ Janice ... who feels impelled by the Spirit to
> give an even bigger love
> > offerin' :) :
> >
>
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1964460/posts?page=5#5
> >
> >
> >
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