Re: [asa] Global eco-theocracy stopped cold at Bali, etc.

Huh? The data are pretty straightforward, why then do we see global
warming deniers claim that since 1998 the temperatures have dropped,
when the data show otherwise? This is far more than an issue of
interpretation of the data, it involves ignoring the many data points
that contradict their views while cherry picking a few. Sort of like
claiming that global warming could not possibly be real because it is
colder than usual in Florida. That just shows an incredible ignorance
of the science and arguments involved.

On Jan 3, 2008 2:42 PM, Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu> wrote:
> Let us face it the issue is contested on the level not of the precise experimental data, which most people agree with, but with the interpretation of the data.
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> Moorad
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> Subject: Re: [asa] Global eco-theocracy stopped cold at Bali, etc.
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> Why do I have the feeling that it would be relevant to distinguish
> between experimental and anecdotal information? Why would Moorad not
> distinguish them?
> Dave (ASA)
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> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:35:50 -0700 (MST) gordon brown
> <gbrown@Colorado.EDU> writes:
> > The debate is supposed to be about GLOBAL warming. That does not mean
> > that
> > local cold records will never be broken.
> >
> > Gordon Brown (ASA member)
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Janice Matchett wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "I am not sure about any anti-GW theories. However, I am freezing
> > in North
> > > Carolina and some of my colleagues in Florida are as well. Does
> > experimental
> > > data count for anti-GW? Happy New Year and God's blessings always"
> > ~ Moorad
> > > Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:04:36 RE: [asa] Teaching ID and teaching that
> > Gobal
> > > Warming is not real.
> > >
> > > @ Here's some experimental data for ya: We have "witnessed the
> > frost line"
> > > steadily moving further and further south. When I moved to
> > Florida in 1980
> > > from Pennsylvania, there were orange groves everywhere in Central
> > Florida.
> > > They have since been frozen off and most of the commercial groves
> > are now 100
> > > + miles south of Orlando. It is touch and go with the Plant City
> > (Tampa
> > > area) strawberry crop after last night's freeze 29 degrees.
> > Tonight is
> > > supposed to be even colder. Of course, this does not count for
> > anti-GW.
> > > Don't forget - "climate change" in either direction is all because
> > of man
> > > causing "global warming", don'tchaknow. (Yes, you do - if you're
> > looking for
> > > tenure, funding, or getting published in a "prestigious"
> > publication.)
> > >
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