RE: [asa] E.O. Wilson "Baptist No More"

These are just a few quotes I have in my notes:
 
            Ken Ham: "As soon as Christians allow for death, suffering, and
disease before sin, then the whole foundations of the message of the Cross
and the Atonement have been destroyed. ... The whole message of the Gospel
falls apart if one allows millions of years for the creation of the world."
<http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1316.asp>
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1316.asp

            Henry Morris: "When one decides to reject the concept of real
[young-earth] Creation, there is no scientific stopping-point short of what
amounts to atheism. ... It [any old-earth view proposing that God created a
universe that really is the age it appears to be, without apparent age] is
essentially an affirmation of atheism, a denial of the possibility of a real
[young-earth] Creation." (The Genesis Flood, pages 237-238, by Whitcomb &
Morris in 1961; similar views are on page 307 of What is Creation Science?
by Morris & Parker in 1987)

            John Morris: "Any form of evolution and old-earth thinking is
incompatible with the work of Christ. ... If a Christian can distort
Scripture to teach such beliefs as evolution, progressive creation, an old
earth, or a local flood, can that Christian be trusted with other doctrines?
... Creationism should be a requirement for Christian leadership! No church
should sanction a pastor, Sunday school teacher, deacon, elder, or
Bible-study leader who knowledgeably and purposefully errs on this crucial
doctrine."
<http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1108>
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1108

 
Though Ken Ham in this quote didn't call non-YEC "atheism" like Henry
Morris, I'll bet it wouldn't take too much digging (which I haven't done) to
find similar quotes from him. Isn't destroying the foundation of the
Atonement akin to atheism, and thus damnation?
 
In fact, I decided to do a couple minutes of digging and found at least one
further quotation from Ken Ham:
 
"The god of an old earth cannot therefore be the God of the Bible who is
able to save us from sin and death....There's no doubt - the god of an old
earth destroys the Gospel."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i4/oldearth.asp
 
 
Jon Tandy
 

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Subject: Re: [asa] E.O. Wilson "Baptist No More"

I went to a very conservative "independent" baptist-type church for many
years where the leaders were YEC. Never was it suggested that there was a
choice between YEC and "damnation." Even AIG doesn't say this. Maybe that
is the case in some churches, but let's not overstate it.

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Received on Tue Nov 27 14:47:59 2007