The version I've seen is that the new genes were added, not revised.
Dave (ASA)
On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:37:11 -0800 "Dehler, Bernie"
<bernie.dehler@intel.com> writes:
D.F. Siemens, Jr. wrote:
“This presents one of the OEC approaches, that at various times God added
new genes to various individuals of groups and then let them develop.”
According to that view, how were new genes added… from scratch and made
perfect, or by God personally twiddling with existing DNA? I’m only
familiar with the Hugh Ross OEC position; who (or which ministry group)
represents another OEC position?
…Bernie
From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. [mailto:dfsiemensjr@juno.com]
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Subject: Re: [asa] ORIGINS: pseudogenes are overwhelming evidence for
evolution...?
This presents one of the OEC approaches, that at various times God added
new genes to various individuals of groups and then let them develop. The
other view, which I heard from Hugh Ross, is that God created every
species de novo at the appropriate time in earth history. But this means
that God is a sloppy designer or intentional deceiver unless it can be
proved that every one of these elements has a purpose. The exclusion of
perfect design applies to finite humans, but cannot apply to an
omniscient deity. It can apply to a limited deity, as in process
theology. But even here a deity should know better or not to able to tune
the world to provide a place for life. This is a radically different
notion than the use of secondary apart from the big bang, or the big bang
and origin of life, or the big bang, origin of life and the first human
Dave (ASA).
On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:41:22 -0500 "David Opderbeck"
<dopderbeck@gmail.com> writes:
I think a typical OEC response is that God reused the genetic code as He
progressively created. I don't think this is a terrible response. The
counter-argument is, why would God re-use "messy" code? But why not? No
one argues for "perfect" design, and any complex coding exercise involves
pieces of code that may have had some functionality in earlier iterations
but that aren't called upon in later ones. And, the full TE position
really says exactly the same thing, except that it holds that God's
causal influence was secondary rather than direct.
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