Re: [asa] ORIGINS: pseudogenes are overwhelming evidence for evolution...?

D.S. said: *But this means that God is a sloppy designer or intentional
deceiver unless it can be proved that every one of these elements has a
purpose. The exclusion of perfect design applies to finite humans, but
cannot apply to an omniscient deity.*

Why? Exactly the same argument applies against any TE position that holds
that God is sovereign over and the primary cause of evolution.

On 11/4/07, D. F. Siemens, Jr. <dfsiemensjr@juno.com> wrote:
>
> This presents one of the OEC approaches, that at various times God added
> new genes to various individuals of groups and then let them develop. The
> other view, which I heard from Hugh Ross, is that God created every species
> de novo at the appropriate time in earth history. But this means that God is
> a sloppy designer or intentional deceiver unless it can be proved that every
> one of these elements has a purpose. The exclusion of perfect design applies
> to finite humans, but cannot apply to an omniscient deity. It can apply to a
> limited deity, as in process theology. But even here a deity should know
> better or not to able to tune the world to provide a place for life. This is
> a radically different notion than the use of secondary apart from the big
> bang, or the big bang and origin of life, or the big bang, origin of life
> and the first human
> Dave (ASA).
>
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:41:22 -0500 "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
> writes:
>
> I think a typical OEC response is that God reused the genetic code as He
> progressively created. I don't think this is a terrible response. The
> counter-argument is, why would God re-use "messy" code? But why not? No
> one argues for "perfect" design, and any complex coding exercise involves
> pieces of code that may have had some functionality in earlier iterations
> but that aren't called upon in later ones. And, the full TE position really
> says exactly the same thing, except that it holds that God's causal
> influence was secondary rather than direct.
>
>
>

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Received on Mon Nov 5 10:32:00 2007