Re: [asa] Letter to thinking Christians (and other theists)

My sympathies with you David.

As I have said before on this list, it is this kind of behaviour why I cannot take ID or YEC seriously. (Would James McHaffy care to comment on Dembksi and O'Leary's behaviour?)

How they can reconcile this kind of misrepresentation with Christian honesty I do not know. Further there is no need to rubbish others as did Nelson over my late friend Peacocke and also Keith Miller.

All this results in ID not only having zilch intellectual worth but no moral worth either.

I am tempted to ask if Dembski and acolytes are not agents for Dawkins

Michael
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Opderbeck
  To: Dawsonzhu@aol.com
  Cc: pvm.pandas@gmail.com ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [asa] Letter to thinking Christians (and other theists)

  Well, finally the other shoe dropped -- Bill Dembski removed me from the UD discussion. I invite you all to take a look at what I wrote and determine for yourselves whether it was warranted. It's really too bad --I'd like to have added something to the discussion of secondary causes, which, in typical fashion, is getting botched by Bill's and Denyse's sycophantic commentators.

  Shame on you, Bill, for letting this travesty of a post be published and for removing me as a result of a comment based on what actually transpired here on the ASA list and on a theological point about Aquinas. You are losing whatever battle it is you're fighting, and this kind of thing is why.

   
  On 4/15/07, Dawsonzhu@aol.com <Dawsonzhu@aol.com> wrote:
    Within Denyse O'Leary's screed,

      What you need to ask is a much simpler
      and entirely determinable question: Is this stuff compatible with your
      spiritual tradition? If not, recognize the situation for what it is:
      undermining from within

    Hmmm, "spiritual tradition".... as in what, which
    whose, where?

    I don't think Calvin dwells much on what a soul is
    does he? He usually seemed to have the good sense
    to stay out of meddling in matters well outside his
    understanding of law, scripture and theology. It seems
    to me, we might do well to follow such examples.

    At any rate, the one lesson we should understand by now is that
    we don't know what the soul is and therefore, we are currently at
    a loss on how to mesh it together with our scientific investigation
    of the mind. Better that we learn to accept that we don't know how
    to put it together, than to shout vociferously empty claims of such
    knowledge and take the high and foolhardy road to thorough
    destruction.

    by Grace we proceed,
    Wayne
         

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Received on Mon Apr 16 11:10:09 2007