Re: [asa] God as Cause

“Everyday experience also shows that the use of natural methods is quite practical for all sorts of things. You are using natural methods to find out what I am saying (e.g., reading email rather thanexpecting the Spirit to reveal my thoughts to you), yet you ought to evaluate my statements from a thoroughly theistic perspective.” – David Campbell
   
  There are social, cultural and historical methods also for this task – ‘natural methods’ are not enough. Are they “quite practical for all sorts of things?” Yes. But still, natural methods are alone not enough.
   
  I would ask David C., on what scientific basis he makes the above claim? What ‘science of everyday life’ has he accessed to make this claim? Probably such a ‘science’ has escaped his mind.
   
  David Opderbeck’s statement that “Belief in intentional action by autonomous agents requires some sort of meta-natural presuppositions” is right on the mark. The gigantic problem is that natural scientists will not (and possibly cannot) recognize it. They simply cannot ‘get outside’ of a naturalistic framework to assess it!
   
  “You are not just using natural methods. But you are using natural methods.” – David C.
   
  Perhaps this was a typo?
   
  It is only the theology or the philosophy in/of people here at ASA that allows them to step outside of their naturalistic assumptions, cosmology included, to seek a balance whereby scientism isn't simply the norm.
   
  Arago
   
   
  

David Campbell <pleuronaia@gmail.com> wrote:
  Like many attempts to redefine science (not only on the part of ID
advocates), Platinga seems to be falling prey to a touch of scientism.
...
Like much ID, Platinga's arguments sound to me as though the
conclusions came first and a less than persuasive attempt at
justifying them was then inserted.

-- 
Dr. David Campbell
425 Scientific Collections
University of Alabama
"I think of my happy condition, surrounded by acres of clams"
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