Re: [asa] Of motes and beams

Vernon -

1) Jesus told many stories. They are all true in the important sense that
they convey truth about the kingdom of God &c. Whether or not they are true
in the sense of being accurate historical reports is utterly irrelevant. No
serious Christian can dismiss stories as necessarily untrue.

2) Whether or not human activity is "immune" from supernatural interference
is not the question. The fact that investigation based upon MN has a great
deal of success in understanding important aspects of human activity shows
that it is a very good working hypothesis & that supernatural interference
(to be distinguished, of course, from God's concurrence with natural
processes) is the exception - & in fact a quite rare exception.

I.e., both your claims are demostrably false. It would be nice to see you
admit it when you're wrong. People might take you more seriously if you
did.

Shalom
George
http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vernon Jenkins" <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>
To: "Don Nield" <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz>
Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Of motes and beams

> Hi Don,
>
> Thanks for your comments. However, when you state that "The passages are
> theological stories about Satan.", does that mean you believe them to be
> untrue? If so, are you not surprised that God has allowed them to appear
> in His Revealed Word?
>
> On the other hand, if by these means it is intended that Christians be
> taught some of the fundamentals of life in the courts of heaven, you must
> surely agree that no form of human activity can be considered immune to
> supernatural interference. In such circumstances MN must cease to exist as
> a valid working hypothesis.
>
> Vernon
> www.otherbiblecode.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Nield" <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz>
> To: "Vernon Jenkins" <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>
> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [asa] Of motes and beams
>
>
>> Vernon:
>> The passages are theological stories about Satan. They have nothing to do
>> with science.
>> All discussion about God is concerned with the supernatural. But that has
>> nothing to do with methodological naturalism.
>> Don
>>
>> Vernon Jenkins wrote:
>>
>>> Forum,
>>> I observe that many here are quick to pounce on any perceived weakness
>>> in the YEC position. But what of their own position as TEs? It appears
>>> to me that all are prepared to ignore some very fundamental Bible
>>> teaching. For example, concerning Job 1: 6-12, 2:1-6 and 1Kings
>>> 22:19-22, I am wondering what the purpose of these precious revelations
>>> might be if not to refute methodological naturalism - which all here
>>> appear to accept as a valid basis for practising science. Clearly, these
>>> extracts suggest that the _natural_ is, and always has been, open to
>>> supernatural activity - in God's wisdom, and at His discretion.
>>> It is interesting that Darwin's _goad_, Alfred Russell Wallace
>>> (undoubtedly, a reliable observer - though not a Christian) was
>>> convinced of the reality of the supernatural and wrote extensively of
>>> his first hand experiences of it. Many (including myself) would condemn
>>> his partiality for the seance - but his desire to learn, surely, cannot
>>> be faulted. On the other hand, our interest in the supernatural, as
>>> Christians, appears to begin and end with the resurrection. Is this
>>> really adequate for those who earnestly seek truth?
>>> Vernon
>>> www.otherbiblecode.com <http://www.otherbiblecode.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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