Re: Dembski theodicy

Exactly.

So there is no reason to think that "creation" meaning the
physical universe is waiting to be "liberated from its
bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of
the children of God."

On Thu, 11 May 2006 13:49:08 -0500
  Keith Miller <kbmill@ksu.edu> wrote:
> David Opderbeck wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a more productive way consider things like
>>hurricanes and
>> earthquakes is to separate the happening of such events
>>from their
>> effects on human beings.  We could conceive of a world
>>in which such
>> events would happen in the ordinary course of nature,
>>but human beings
>> would not suffer because of their happening.  Partly
>>this could result
>> from perfect justice, communication and cooperation
>>among humans.  For
>> example, hurricane Katrina would not have wiped out the
>>impoverished
>> and de facto racially segregated neighborhoods in New
>>Orleans because
>> poverty and segregation would not exist, there would be
>>no corruption
>> relating to hurricane-safe building codes, government
>>officials would
>> respond effectively with evacuation plans, and so on. 
>>Partly this
>> also could result from perfect fellowship and
>>communication between
>> humans and God, such that God could communicate directly
>>with a fully
>> responsive community about how to prepare for such
>>events.  In other
>> words, sin didn't change ordinary natural processes so
>>much as it
>> destroyed the perfect community and fellowship among
>>humans, and
>> between humans and God, that would have precluded any
>>human suffering
>> resulting from those events.  For anyone more deeply
>>read on theodicy,
>> is there any strand of theodicy that proceeds along
>>similar lines?
>
> Yes, this is precisely my position. The Fall was a
>disruption of the relationships between God and humans,
> among humans, and between humans and the creation.
> Hurricanes and earthquakes are not evil or a consequence
>of evil, but the human estrangement from God turns them
>into human disasters.
>
> Keith
>
>
Received on Thu May 11 16:35:08 2006