RE: "The Goal of ID is to establish a theocratic state"

"Jesus answered, " My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were
of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be
handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
John 18:36. Therefore, the closest thing to a Christian theocratic state
will be that resulting from the Second Coming of Jesus the Christ.
Therefore, Christians would be going against Scripture if trying to
establish a theocratic state on their own.

Moorad

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of David Opderbeck
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:46 AM
To: Michael Roberts
Cc: George Murphy; jcannon@washjeff.edu; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: "The Goal of ID is to establish a theocratic state"

Yes, I'm sure it's "enlightening" indeed. This is the sort of polemic
that leads ordinary Christians who are trying their best to figure
things out, raise their kids, and maintain some semblance of a
traditional morality think "evolution = relativism = fetus farms for
stem cells." There's a reason many people on the right tie evolution to
atheism, faith-bashing and relativism: because many on the left use it
that way. It's naive to buy into the argument that one political party
or another is "anti-science" because of it takes religiously informed
positions about bioethics seriously.

On 1/19/06, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

Read
The republican war on science
by Chris Mooney

That will enlighten you!

Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>
To: <jcannon@washjeff.edu>; < asa@calvin.edu <mailto:asa@calvin.edu> >
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: "The Goal of ID is to establish a theocratic state"

> This may be _Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent
Design_
> by Barbara Forrest and Paul Gross. You can find info at
> http://www.creationismstrojanhorse.com/ . I haven't read the book but
> from what I know of the authors & have heard about the book, it sounds

> right.
>
> There are certainly legitimate & realistic concerns about the
influence of
> the religious right in the political arena today. But the words
> "theocracy" & "theocratic" are vastly overused & overextended. A
> theocracy - literally rule by God - is government by religious
> authorities - priests &c. It is misused by people who apply it to any
> religious influence on political leaders. E.g., I heard one speaker
say
> that Bush's 2001 decision on embryonic stem cells meant that we now
had a
> theocracy. This is nonsense, whatever you may think of that decision.
>
> The use of "theocracy" in that way is kind of a mirror image of the
way
> Johnson et al use "naturalism." The 1st uses an evil sounding word
for
> any mention of God & the 2d uses one for anything that doesn't mention
> God.
>
> Shalom
> George
> http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Cannon" <jcannon@jcannon.washjeff.edu >
> To: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:12 AM
> Subject: "The Goal of ID is to establish a theocratic state"
>
>
>>I found myself in the odd situation of defending ID defenders last
>> night when the speaker said with a straight face that the goal of ID
>> was to establish a theocratic state.
>>
>> When asked she cited a book that had "the wedge" in the title (two
>> authors) which have a vague feeling that I have seen before. Can
>> someone give me a short summary of what the book says. I suspect the
>> assertion may involve the Discovery Institute's involvement in
>> conservative political causes. She had read Reason in the Balance so
>> it would appear that an extrapolation of what Johnson says there was
>> part of the claim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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Received on Thu Jan 19 11:16:03 2006