Re: counter-evangelism group - coping with pesky fundies

I am not sure I would consider Ed an atheist.

He is, or was, on this list.

I am not sure where he stands exactly at this point, but he is a skeptic,
maybe an agnostic, and questions everything. I dont mean that in a bad way.

My impression is that his attempt with this post is to tell the atheists
that not all Christians are YECers and that some are even evolutionists.
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From: <RFaussette@aol.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 5:35 PM
Subject: counter-evangelism group - coping with pesky fundies

>I keep an eye on atheists and their arguments. This was just posted by a
>Babinski on the counter-evangelism list on yahoo.
> Many of your names are listed.
>
>
>
> Did you know that Michael Denton has changed his view
> from evolution being a "theory in crisis," to
> evolution being a fact of nature? Denton even told the
> Discovery Institute that he no longer wished to be
> described as an "associate" of that institute.
> Although Denton's book, Evoultion: A Theory in Crisis
> preceded Behe and Dembski's works, Denton no longer
> finds evolution to be in such a "crisis" not anymore.
>
> I also wonder what creationists and I.D.ists think of
> Christians who accept Darwinistic evolution, and
> reject I.D. arguments?
>
> Dr. Colling (fundamentalist Christian and chair of
> Biology at a fundamentalist Christian college) is O.K.
> with Darwinian evolution and has even composed a book
> on the subject titled, Random Designer: Created From
> Chaos To Connect With Creator. ''It pains me to
> suggest that my religious brothers are telling
> falsehoods'' when they say evolutionary theory is ''in
> crisis'' and claim that there is widespread skepticism
> about it among scientists. ''Such statements are
> blatantly untrue,'' he argues. ''Evolution has stood
> the test of time and considerable scrutiny...What the
> designer designed is the random-design process,'' or
> Darwinian evolution, Colling says. ''God devised these
> natural laws, and uses evolution to accomplish his
> goals.'' "Random Designer" or "Divine Tinkerer?"
> Either way, Darwinism and God could be viewed as
> overlapping hypotheses. For the full story see,
> "Teaching Evolution at Christian College" by Sharon
> Begley, The Wall Street Journal (December 31, 2004)
> http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-olivet31.html
>
>
> MORE BOOKS BY CHRISTIAN EVOLUTIONISTS
>
> Perspectives on an Evolving Creation, ed. Keith B.
> Miller http://www-personal.ksu.edu/~kbmill/ (William
> B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2003)--Essays by
> theistic evolutionist Christians:
> Terry Gray (Colorado State)
> James Hurd (Bethel College)
> Ted Davis (Messiah College)
> Robin Collins (Messiah College)
> David Wilcox (Eastern College)
> Mark Noll (Wheaton College)
> Jeff Greenberg (Wheaton College)
> Laurie Braaten (Judson College)
> John Munday, Jr. (Regent Univ.)
> Loren Haarsma (Calvin College)
> Howard Van Till (Calvin College)
> Deborah Haarsma (Calvin College)
> Warren Brown (Fuller Theological)
> David Campbell (University of Alabama)
> Jennifer Wiseman (Johns Hopkins Univ.)
> Conrad Hyers (Gustavus Adolphus College)
> George Murphy (Trinity Lutheran Seminary)
> Bob Russell (Center for Theology and Natural Sciences)
> http://www-personal.ksu.edu/~kbmill/Book_Ann.html
>
> God and Evolution (Nov. 2004) by David L. Wilcox
> (Ph.D. in Population Genetics, Professor of Biology,
> Eastern College, St. David's, PA.)
>
> Darwinism Defeated? A debate between Phillip E.
> Johnson (I.D.ist) and Denis O. Lamoureux (Ph.D.
> biologist/evolutionist and Evangelical Christian
> http://www.ualberta.ca/~dlamoure/index.htm) Apparently
> Johnson does not offer copies of this debate book for
> sale at his website.
>
> Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common
> Ground Between God and Evolution by Kenneth R. Miller
> (Ph.D. biologist and Catholic Christian)
> http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/index.html
>
> Chance From a Theistic Perspective (The Perspectives
> of Two Evangelical Christian Evolutionists: Donald
> MacKay and John Polkinghorne)
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance-theistic.html
>
>
> Fine-Tuners Who Reject I.D. Arguments
> http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/babinski/inerrancy.html
>
> Darwin's Forgotten Christian Defenders
> http://www.creation-science.us/creationism/darwin.html
>
>
> Three Cheers For Christian Evolutionists
> http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/evolution/christian_evolution.html
>
>
>>From Abandoning Geocentrism To Accepting Evolution: A
> "Liberal Trend" Among Evangelical Christians?
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/2/part12.html
>
> Francis Collins, Director of the Human Genome Project,
> is a Christian who accepts evolution. He stated: "I am
> unaware of any irreconcilable conflict between
> scientific knowledge about evolution and the idea of a
> creator God; why couldn't God have used the mechanism
> of evolution to create?...In my field, biology,
> because of the creationists the standard assumption is
> that anyone who has faith has gone soft in the head.
> When scientists like me admit they are believers, the
> reaction from colleagues is 'How did this guy get
> tenure?'"--Gregg Easterbrook, "Science and God: A
> Warming Trend?" Science, Vol. 277, No. 5328, Aug. 15
> 1997, p. 890-893
>
> CHRISTIAN EVOLUTIONIST WEBSITES
>
> http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Evolution/murphy__van_dyke_dialogue.htm
> l#Theistic%20Evolution
>
>
> http://www.bibleandscience.com
>
> http://home.entouch.net/dmd/dmd.htm
>
> http://www.meta-library.net/bio/hvt-body.html
>
> http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/anthony_garrett/esct.html
>
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s17040.htm
>
>
> http://www.faithreason.org/
>
> http://groups.msn.com/ChristiansForEvolution
>
> http://atheism.about.com/b/a/136886.htm
>
> http://www.berea.edu/specialproject/scienceandfaith/ess
> ay03.asp
>
> http://members.aol.com/steamdoc/writings/evangel.html
>
> http://zygoncenter.org/about_who.html
>
> Voices For Evolution: Statements From Religious
> Organizations
> http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/1028_statements_from_religio
> us_org_12_19_2002.asp
>
>
> The Pope's Message On Evolution
> http://www.cin.org/jp2evolu.html
>
> Webpage that features the article, "I.D. For
> I.Dummies"
> http://www.intelligent-design.us/
>
> Cheers,
> Edward T. Babinski (author of Leaving the Fold:
> Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists, Prometheus
> Books, 2003, paperback edition; featuring the
> first-hand testimonies of 3 dozen former
> fudamentalists who moved either to more moderate or
> liberal Christian, who joined other religions, or
> became agnostics, or atheists) http://www.edwardtbabinski.us
>
Received on Sat Feb 26 07:11:59 2005