counter-evangelism group - coping with pesky fundies

I keep an eye on atheists and their arguments. This was just posted by a Babinski on the counter-evangelism list on yahoo.
Many of your names are listed.

Did you know that Michael Denton has changed his view
from evolution being a "theory in crisis," to
evolution being a fact of nature? Denton even told the
Discovery Institute that he no longer wished to be
described as an "associate" of that institute.
Although Denton's book, Evoultion: A Theory in Crisis
preceded Behe and Dembski's works, Denton no longer
finds evolution to be in such a "crisis" not anymore.

I also wonder what creationists and I.D.ists think of
Christians who accept Darwinistic evolution, and
reject I.D. arguments?

Dr. Colling (fundamentalist Christian and chair of
Biology at a fundamentalist Christian college) is O.K.
with Darwinian evolution and has even composed a book
on the subject titled, Random Designer: Created From
Chaos To Connect With Creator. ''It pains me to
suggest that my religious brothers are telling
falsehoods'' when they say evolutionary theory is ''in
crisis'' and claim that there is widespread skepticism
about it among scientists. ''Such statements are
blatantly untrue,'' he argues. ''Evolution has stood
the test of time and considerable scrutiny...What the
designer designed is the random-design process,'' or
Darwinian evolution, Colling says. ''God devised these
natural laws, and uses evolution to accomplish his
goals.'' "Random Designer" or "Divine Tinkerer?"
Either way, Darwinism and God could be viewed as
overlapping hypotheses. For the full story see,
"Teaching Evolution at Christian College" by Sharon
Begley, The Wall Street Journal (December 31, 2004)
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-olivet31.html

MORE BOOKS BY CHRISTIAN EVOLUTIONISTS

Perspectives on an Evolving Creation, ed. Keith B.
Miller http://www-personal.ksu.edu/~kbmill/ (William
B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2003)--Essays by
theistic evolutionist Christians:
Terry Gray (Colorado State)
James Hurd (Bethel College)
Ted Davis (Messiah College)
Robin Collins (Messiah College)
David Wilcox (Eastern College)
Mark Noll (Wheaton College)
Jeff Greenberg (Wheaton College)
Laurie Braaten (Judson College)
John Munday, Jr. (Regent Univ.)
Loren Haarsma (Calvin College)
Howard Van Till (Calvin College)
Deborah Haarsma (Calvin College)
Warren Brown (Fuller Theological)
David Campbell (University of Alabama)
Jennifer Wiseman (Johns Hopkins Univ.)
Conrad Hyers (Gustavus Adolphus College)
George Murphy (Trinity Lutheran Seminary)
Bob Russell (Center for Theology and Natural Sciences)
http://www-personal.ksu.edu/~kbmill/Book_Ann.html

God and Evolution (Nov. 2004) by David L. Wilcox
(Ph.D. in Population Genetics, Professor of Biology,
Eastern College, St. David's, PA.)

Darwinism Defeated? A debate between Phillip E.
Johnson (I.D.ist) and Denis O. Lamoureux (Ph.D.
biologist/evolutionist and Evangelical Christian
http://www.ualberta.ca/~dlamoure/index.htm) Apparently
Johnson does not offer copies of this debate book for
sale at his website.

Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common
Ground Between God and Evolution by Kenneth R. Miller
(Ph.D. biologist and Catholic Christian)
http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/index.html

Chance From a Theistic Perspective (The Perspectives
of Two Evangelical Christian Evolutionists: Donald
MacKay and John Polkinghorne)
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance-theistic.html

Fine-Tuners Who Reject I.D. Arguments
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/babinski/inerrancy.html

Darwin's Forgotten Christian Defenders
http://www.creation-science.us/creationism/darwin.html

Three Cheers For Christian Evolutionists
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/evolution/christian_evolution.html

From Abandoning Geocentrism To Accepting Evolution: A
"Liberal Trend" Among Evangelical Christians?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/2/part12.html

Francis Collins, Director of the Human Genome Project,
is a Christian who accepts evolution. He stated: "I am
unaware of any irreconcilable conflict between
scientific knowledge about evolution and the idea of a
creator God; why couldn't God have used the mechanism
of evolution to create?...In my field, biology,
because of the creationists the standard assumption is
that anyone who has faith has gone soft in the head.
When scientists like me admit they are believers, the
reaction from colleagues is 'How did this guy get
tenure?'"--Gregg Easterbrook, "Science and God: A
Warming Trend?" Science, Vol. 277, No. 5328, Aug. 15
1997, p. 890-893

CHRISTIAN EVOLUTIONIST WEBSITES

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Evolution/murphy__van_dyke_dialogue.htm
l#Theistic%20Evolution

http://www.bibleandscience.com

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/dmd.htm

http://www.meta-library.net/bio/hvt-body.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/anthony_garrett/esct.html

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s17040.htm

http://www.faithreason.org/

http://groups.msn.com/ChristiansForEvolution

http://atheism.about.com/b/a/136886.htm

http://www.berea.edu/specialproject/scienceandfaith/ess
ay03.asp

http://members.aol.com/steamdoc/writings/evangel.html

http://zygoncenter.org/about_who.html

Voices For Evolution: Statements From Religious
Organizations
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/1028_statements_from_religio
us_org_12_19_2002.asp

The Pope's Message On Evolution
http://www.cin.org/jp2evolu.html

Webpage that features the article, "I.D. For
I.Dummies"
http://www.intelligent-design.us/

Cheers,
Edward T. Babinski (author of Leaving the Fold:
Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists, Prometheus
Books, 2003, paperback edition; featuring the
first-hand testimonies of 3 dozen former
fudamentalists who moved either to more moderate or
liberal Christian, who joined other religions, or
became agnostics, or atheists) http://www.edwardtbabinski.us
Received on Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:35:18 -0500