Order from chaos - according to New Mexicans for Science and Reason

From: Iain Strachan <igd.strachan@gmail.com>
Date: Sat Feb 26 2005 - 09:26:30 EST

The skeptic website "New Mexicans for Science and Reason" give the
following web page to debunk creationist claims that order cannot
arise out of a random process:

http://www.nmsr.org/digdudle.htm

It describes how a complex fractal pattern, known as a *Sierpinski
gasket*, can arise from a random process plus a simple ordering rule.
A quickbasic program they give to produce the pattern is less than 400
keystrokes. They suggest you should send it to your creationist
friends and it will "drive them nuts", and furthermore that the
Sierpinski Gasket is the creationist's worst nightmare.

Without revealing what I think of the argument, I'd be interested to
hear from list members of different persuasions what they think of the
argument presented by NMSR.

If you're a creationist or ID person, how would you debunk this
argument? On the face of it, randomness and an ordering rule produce
order out of chaos, akin to random mutation plus natural selection.

If you're a TE, or otherwise, do you think this is a convincing
argument that can be used against creationism/ID?

If you're Vernon, you'll no doubt be amused to see that the N=1
Sierpinski gasket appears to be identical to your triangle-in-triangle
pattern from the Genesis 1:1 numerics!

[ Aside. A very cute way to produce Sierpinski Gasket patterns is
from Pascal's triangle, which can be found on the Java applet at this
page: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~btk/Pascal/ . Unfortunately
this does not involve random processes so cannot be used to argue
against creationists].

Iain Strachan

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