Re: Cobb County

I give up.

I am not deliberately misrepresenting your views Ed, I have read everyword of what you have written here, and I understand what you say, as I understand it. If you think I have interpreted it wrong, fine you could clarify.

But, I have never been "abusive" or "paranoid".

You were offended that someone else called you childish, but frankly I feel personally attacked by you for no reason. I never attacked you personally. And now to me you appear childish too. So I am confronting you with what I think are sins against me, personal attacks that are unjustified.

I, for the first time ever on this list, and going to choose to step out of this conversation, because it has become unfruitful.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Edward Hassertt
  To: jack syme ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Cobb County

  Are you deliberately trying to provoke me by misrepresenting what I am saying? Can anyone on this list be honest about what others are saying. It seems you all get rightly upset when YEC people misrepresent what science is saying but have no qualms whatsoever with misrepresenting what other Christians are saying on this list!

  jack syme wrote:
    This is a quote from you Ed.

    "So, if God did supernaturally acts, then the assumptions of methodological naturalism are false and the foundations on which scientific discoveries are based are nonexistent. If God does or did act in the events of the universe in a supernatural way and science assumes a priori that such actions are not present, then if they are present, science will always miss describing the universe or its history accurately. "

    All of us agree that God supernaturally acts, so according to you, "the foundations on which scientific discoveries are based are nonexistent".

  Within the context of the whole post I was responding to the claim that science must act is if the supernatural does not exist. I was pointing out the inconsistency of saying science precludes finding evidence for supernatural events, while at the same time being a scientist who accepts supernatural things, and a scientist who is seeking to find out all he can about the universe. The poster I was responding to defined methodological naturalism to exclude any possibility of science including evidence of supernatural events, but such a prior assumptions are precisely the kind science cannot make and still canna itself objective. Supernatural events or their signatures may not be observable or measurable in the long wrong, but that is very different from assuming before beginning that they cannot be observable or measurable.

    And I could go back and find several quotes from you running along the same lines.
  No you can't because I did not say what you are claiming I am saying!

    I have never accused you of being YEC or having said that evolution is wrong.

  No you just keep misrepresenting everything else I have said! Others have said the other things.

  Wow. Is everyone on this group paranoid and abusive?

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Edward Hassertt
      To: drsyme@cablespeed.com
      Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:52 PM
      Subject: Re: Cobb County

      It seems that no one here wants to read what I am actually saying instead they want to make up a position for me and put me in it so they can easily dismiss what I am saying and move on. I tire of the lack of real interaction with what I am saying. No where did I dismiss science despite the constant claims that I have. No where have a claimed evolution is wrong, despite constant claims that I have. No where have I argued for a young earth, yet the members of this list keep trying to force me into that group. For scientist the lack of precision in discussing the words of others is truly amazing!

      drsyme@cablespeed.com wrote:

        I am not sure where I am not making myself clear.

        This is not the place, necessarily, to use presuppostional arguments, because, most on this list would agree with you that there are laws in nature because God created things that way. Science can be done, and science can seek truth because there is a God.

        But, science is merely about what is measurable, observable, and testable. So scientists say that you cannot invoke a supernatural explanation and call it science. Science cannot explain or understand everything, some things are beyond science. But, it also doesnt mean that science, that is limited rightfully to this "methodological materialism", cannot discover truths.

        But you want to throw out all of science, at least you seem to be making that claim, because it is limited to things not supernatural. If you are ok with medicine, and engineering, and chemistry, is it just the science of origins that bothers you?

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      The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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      Edward J. Hassertt
      Reason By Faith
      Auburn, Washington

      http://www.reasonbyfaith.org

      Christian Legal Discussion:
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  The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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  Edward J. Hassertt
  Reason By Faith
  Auburn, Washington

  http://www.reasonbyfaith.org

  Christian Legal Discussion:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/advocatusdeus/
Received on Tue Jan 25 06:15:14 2005