Re: Cobb County

Are you deliberately trying to provoke me by misrepresenting what I am
saying? Can anyone on this list be honest about what others are
saying. It seems you all get rightly upset when YEC people misrepresent
what science is saying but have no qualms whatsoever with
misrepresenting what other Christians are saying on this list!

jack syme wrote:

> This is a quote from you Ed.
>
> "So, if God did supernaturally acts, then the assumptions of
> methodological naturalism are false and the foundations on which
> scientific discoveries are based are nonexistent. If God does or did
> act in the events of the universe in a supernatural way and science
> assumes a priori that such actions are not present, then if they are
> present, science will always miss describing the universe or its
> history accurately. "
>
> All of us agree that God supernaturally acts, so according to you,
> "the foundations on which scientific discoveries are based are
> nonexistent".

Within the context of the whole post I was responding to the claim that
science must act is if the supernatural does not exist. I was pointing
out the inconsistency of saying science precludes finding evidence for
supernatural events, while at the same time being a scientist who
accepts supernatural things, and a scientist who is seeking to find out
all he can about the universe. The poster I was responding to defined
methodological naturalism to exclude any possibility of science
including evidence of supernatural events, but such a prior assumptions
are precisely the kind science cannot make and still canna itself
objective. Supernatural events or their signatures may not be
observable or measurable in the long wrong, but that is very different
from assuming before beginning that they cannot be observable or
measurable.

>
> And I could go back and find several quotes from you running along the
> same lines.

No you can't because I did not say what you are claiming I am saying!

>
> I have never accused you of being YEC or having said that evolution is
> wrong.

No you just keep misrepresenting everything else I have said! Others
have said the other things.

Wow. Is everyone on this group paranoid and abusive?

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward Hassertt <mailto:ehassertt@mac.com>
> To: drsyme@cablespeed.com <mailto:drsyme@cablespeed.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Cobb County
>
> It seems that no one here wants to read what I am actually saying
> instead they want to make up a position for me and put me in it so
> they can easily dismiss what I am saying and move on. I tire of
> the lack of real interaction with what I am saying. No where did
> I dismiss science despite the constant claims that I have. No
> where have a claimed evolution is wrong, despite constant claims
> that I have. No where have I argued for a young earth, yet the
> members of this list keep trying to force me into that group. For
> scientist the lack of precision in discussing the words of others
> is truly amazing!
>
> drsyme@cablespeed.com wrote:
>
>> I am not sure where I am not making myself clear.
>>
>> This is not the place, necessarily, to use presuppostional
>> arguments, because, most on this list would agree with you that
>> there are laws in nature because God created things that way.
>> Science can be done, and science can seek truth because there is
>> a God.
>>
>> But, science is merely about what is measurable, observable, and
>> testable. So scientists say that you cannot invoke a
>> supernatural explanation and call it science. Science cannot
>> explain or understand everything, some things are beyond
>> science. But, it also doesnt mean that science, that is limited
>> rightfully to this "methodological materialism", cannot discover
>> truths.
>>
>> But you want to throw out all of science, at least you seem to be
>> making that claim, because it is limited to things not
>> supernatural. If you are ok with medicine, and engineering, and
>> chemistry, is it just the science of origins that bothers you?
>
>
>
> --
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> The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor
> between classes, nor between political parties either, but right
> through every human heart - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
> .......................................................................................
>
> Edward J. Hassertt
> Reason By Faith
> Auburn, Washington
>
> http://www.reasonbyfaith.org
>
> Christian Legal Discussion:
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The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between 
classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every 
human heart   -  Alexander Solzhenitsyn
.......................................................................................
Edward J. Hassertt
Reason By Faith
Auburn, Washington
http://www.reasonbyfaith.org
Christian Legal Discussion:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/advocatusdeus/