Re: Dick Fisher's "historical basis" remains no less doubtful

I agree. Afterall one of the direct effects of the fall is to make the soil
less productive so man has to do work to get it to produce:

Gen 3:17-19, "cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you
will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and
thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of
your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from
it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Perrett" <donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org>
To: "jack syme" <drsyme@cablespeed.com>
Cc: "ASA Discussions" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:49 AM
Subject: RE: Dick Fisher's "historical basis" remains no less doubtful

>>>>>>Jack wrote:
> One thought I had about Genesis 2 is that it is just a description of the
> beginning of agricultural society.
>
> Look at all of the agricultural themes that run through Genesis 2:
> 2:5 no shrub of the field had yet appeard on the earth,...no plant of the
> field had yet sprung up; the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and
> there was no man to work the ground...
> 2:7 And the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground..
> 2:8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden...
> 2:9 And the Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground
> 2:15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work
> it
> and take care of it.
> 2:20 So the man gave names to all the livestock,
>
> Is the sixth day of Genesis 1 the description of hominid evolution?
> Please
> see :
> http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1996/PSCF3-96Zimmer.html#Zimmer
>
> And is Genesis 2 the description of the neolithic revolution? Did God
> gift
> Adam, with agriculture? Is Adam in Genesis 2 historical or figurative?
> Is
> Adam in Genesis 3, historical or figurative?
>
> I think that it would be consistent, with the biblical description of
> Adam,
> to put a real historical Adam at the start of agricultural society, but
> there are clearly parts of Genesis 2 and 3 that have to be figurative.
>
> Perhaps the pure historical narrative begins with Genesis 4?
>>>>>>
>
> I agree with your interpretation of Gen2. I however would note that I
> believe that agriculture began not with Adam's creation but with the FALL
> itself. When Adam and Eve decided to take of the fruit and in so doing,
> try
> to become God's themselves, God sent us out to fend for ourselves going
> from
> a time of hunter gatherer with bountiful (wild) harvests to desolation and
> having to grow our own crops to survive. Even Christ said that the bird
> worries not but has all it needs. We are obscesed with creating a better
> life for ourselves yet one is available for the taking. We only need to
> stop the race into the future and allow God to provide for us, as was his
> intent.
>
>
> Don P
>
>
Received on Fri Nov 19 06:43:15 2004