RE: knowledge & proof [was "wee people"]

I have done 3 related things which I associate with Jesus experience in
the wilderness situation. However, I wasn't the purist and didn't

do it all in one piece.

   1. fasted on just grape juice just for a few days - this cut down the
noise from my bowels and I remembered how to feel rested like a child
among other things.

             i.e. it relieved a LOT of stress. I began to notice some
things popping into my mind once in a while spontaneously which I never
would have anticipated.

             This was the first time in my life that I became aware of
Old Testament things of benefit. It also contributed to what I would
call whole-brain thinking.

              I read the book Whole-Brain Thinking a few years later is
how I got this interpretation.

   2. spent 30 days in a row "observing" with a different focus each day
according to a weird concocted PLANNED list, in a so-called
"ambassadorship for Christ"

           journey, like a wilderness adventure, in conjunction with
following my normal routines as well, keeping a journal log. I didn't
notice much benefit during the

           process, but it seemed to have a longterm effect, like 26-27
days to learn a new habit. I committed initially to 30 days, but I
actually ended up doing 40

           days. There are several good books that I would think would
be good motivators for such a thing, e.g. John Bevere or Rick Warren.

   3. spent 37 days in INTENSE observation after many years, which I
felt was a continuation of the previous trip, and felt a might presence
every day and

           right on the point of a new list with which I was already
more experienced and acquainted in using. This was done after I
recommended to my

           daughters this wilderness trek idea and wanted to prove to
myself once again that it was worthwhile before I raised expectations.
The number 37

           was inspired by Vernon Jenkins notions.

The practice of journaling, in particular of LATER REVIEWING and
annotating changes in journals, works well with these concepts.

-----Original Message-----
From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. [mailto:dfsiemensjr@juno.com]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:09 PM
To: Roberts, Joe
Cc: dfwinterstein@msn.com; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: knowledge & proof [was "wee people"]

Joe,

I recently heard someone who believed (claimed to know) that Bush
organized 9-11. Earlier there was the claim that the price of oil would
drop precipitately just before the election--a conspiracy between Bush
and the Saudis to influence the election. No evidence, just firm belief
in falsehoods. What evidence do you offer for your belief?

I recall the claim by many that hallucinogens had a similar effect, plus
the claim that it made the doped one more creative. On test they were
not creative, just stupid. If I recall correctly, Mark Twain was given
laughing gas for a dental procedure. He thrashed around some, and then
claimed that he had wanted writing materials to set down the thoughts of
ineffable beauty that had come to him under anesthesia. He demanded to
be put under again while he had paper and pencil in hand. When he came
out he looked to see what glorious revelations he had written. He read,
"My God, what a stench." This is clearly beauty beyond description!

Dave

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:46:29 -0600 "Roberts, Joe"
<Joe.Roberts@thecb.state.tx.us> writes:

        I believe that fasting loosens our filters, allowing more
reality in.

         
Received on Mon Nov 8 18:52:49 2004