RE: I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wallyshoes [mailto:wallyshoes@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 12:29 PM

> Although I am not as widely well known as you are, I obviously
> have had more
> success than you.

Great! So, How many YECs have you converted to Old Earth creationism or to
evolution?

> The guerrilla approach works, Glenn -- live with it!
>
> Your gorilla approach does not work, however, as you so aptly
> demonstrate above
> --- live with that also.

Live with it seems to be one of your favorite stock phrases. I would
respectfully submit it is one of those 'I am right and you are wrong'(hence
forth shortened to IARAYAW) type of statements you are decrying in others.

I also note that you ignored the part of my last note where I had
specifically stated that my technique was different 8 years ago. Why did
you ignore that? My experience was that it didn't work. And so far, I
haven't seen anything from you (other than a claim) that it works.

 Not only does it not work but it
> undoubtedly drives
> people away. All of your ridiculing comments about polka dot
> skies appear on
> these posts for all to see.

That is not a ridiculing account. There literally are some YECs who believe
that the sun goes round the earth. They are rare, I grant. But for me to
treat such a view as if there is the chance of the proverbial snowball of
it being correct, would be utter foolishness. The polkadot sky comment is
merely there to illustrate the FACT, bare FACT (I know this is an IARAYAW
statement), but there are some things which fall into that category. Are we
to act as if crazy idea out there has merit? Sorry, I can't agree.

 Do you really consider that to be effective
> salesmanship Glenn? I think that your numerous attacks do nothing
> but drive
> people away from science and polarizes them even further. You
> prove that with
> your own illustrations above.

On another list I have convinced at least 2 yecs in the last 2 months to
change to OE creationism. One was a 25 year supporter of ICR. What I do is
not without some return, but I would gladly do anything different for a
higher rate of return.

As to my relationship with individual YECs, in general, I have a pretty good
relationship. I would say that Bill Payne is a good friend. He and I have
debated (with my take no prisoners' style) but I still like him, and he
seems to still like me from the personal correspondance. I can say the same
thing about several YECs on TW. This is no different than M.Roberts and I
or G. Murphy and I arguing our cases with enthusiasm on certain issues. But
when the fur quits flying we still can be friends. I think you don't
understand some of the dynamics.

>
> I went to great pains to have ASA listed as a link on my Church's
> web site. It
> accidentally got removed and I am now wondering how hard I should
> try to get it
> back. The recent posts wanting to get ASA to become officially
> opposed to YEC
> instead of welcoming all as Christians is appalling to me.

Would you be opposed to the ASA taking an official stand against Gerardus De
Bouw's or Malcolm Bowden's form of YEC?

Gerardus De Bouw http://www.geocentricity.com/aboutgeocentricity.htm
Malcom Bowden
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bowdenmalcolm/geocexpl.htm

Where would you draw a line, if indeed you would?

Should we take a stand against Baugh's weird views?
"The voice of God (whether by direct vocal intervention or by indirect
vibrational disruption) at microwave energy level penetrated the great water
reservoir beneath the earth's granite crust. With microwave's unique effect
on water, this agitated medium rapidly disrupted the planet's subterranean
structure which housed the designed nuclear reactors and internal
foundations."
 "The violent heated waters ruptured the granite crust and sent hot jets of
steam upward through the thin firmament suspended above the earth. This
action opened channel windows in the crystalline canopy and caused its
collapse. The mass fell as liquid rain in the temperate zones and dropped as
ice at the poles. Subsequent expulsion of water and chemical elements from
earth's disrupted interior saturated the surface floods and trapped living
organisms as fossils in sedimentary deposits."
http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html

How deep do you think microwaves can penetrate the earth?

Should we not say Baugh is wrong that a living Pterosaur can exist inside
solid rock for several thousand years--alive?

        "The article refers to the last of the great pterodactyls, the flying
dinosaurs of the Mesozoic era. The record states that in France, some
workmen, in the winter of 1856, while working on a partially completed
railway tunnel between St. Dizey and the Nancy lines, came across something
unusual. In the tunnel, they had broken and removed a huge boulder of
Jurassic limestone, which precedes the Cretaceous by several million years.
After they had broken the limestone, stumbling out of the tunnel towards
them was a creature which fluttered its wings, croaked, and collapsed dead
at their feet. this creature had a wingspan of ten feet, seven inches, with
four legs joined by a membrane like a bat. What should have been feet were
long talons. The mouth was arrayed with sharp teeth. The skin was black,
leathery, oily, and thick. Local students of paleontology immediately
identified this creature as being a pterodactyl." ~ Carl Baugh, Panorama of
Creation, (Oklahoma City: Southwest Radio Church, 1989), p. 20

Naw, to say he is wrong would drive him away.
Received on Sat Dec 27 15:11:42 2003